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post #226 of 238
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Originally posted by sfxjames
John Medeiros is right about the wireless open headphones. There is an apparent air to each sound while when using closed headphones the air is very tight. Like listening to a home theater within a closet rather than a room. When using closed headphones, there is better focuss of dialogue on screen but when it comes to dialogue on right hand of the screen or left hand it is very tied to the center of the screen. So the problem of using wired closed headphones is that there is no seperation of center channel dialogue onscreen and no air between the listener and virtual speaker. The wireless headphones do a lot for the soundfield. The sound is more relaxing to the ears and improves upon the illusion of the center channel being more out-of-head.
I'm sorry sfx james -- I get such excellent results from a CD 3000 that I can't really agree with you. At least you could let us know what closed headphones you used for your test.
post #227 of 238
Well the CD3000 maybe slightly open headphones, semi-open headphones maybe the ideal choice for dolby headphone. Do the CD3000 do well with deep bass. They can't be closed. The Sony headphones I used to have said they were closed headphones, when infact other claimed they were semi-open.

So Music Fanatic is it worth paying so much money for those things, they are very pricey.

Do they have good separation?

I used Optimus PRO155s from Radio Shack?
post #228 of 238
John Medeiros why did you sell your pioneer SE-DIR1000C was it the bass factor.

Question John I sit 8 feet from a 27" TV, which setting is the best to use for this, is it DH2. With this information what setting would you use and why.

When I play DH2 the center channel sounds a bit off like it's closer to me. Is this the kind of effect you get listening to DH2 when you play older movies re-mixed 5.1.

I have noticed a slight amount of depth that DH2 has rather than DH1, where the sound field infront sounds more apparent than in DH1. I am doing some more tests.
post #229 of 238
Quote:
Originally posted by sfxjames
Well the CD3000 maybe slightly open headphones, semi-open headphones maybe the ideal choice for dolby headphone. Do the CD3000 do well with deep bass. They can't be closed. The Sony headphones I used to have said they were closed headphones, when infact other claimed they were semi-open.
What does "semi-open headphone" mean?

The CD3000 is a closed headphone but it is not isolating. However, I think that Dolby Headphone works well with isolating headphones (such as the V6 or even the QuietComfort 2) as well.
post #230 of 238
Semi-open usually means it's a closed headphone but part of the sound leaks out. Open headphones leak out lot's sound while semi-open only leak out some degree of sound.

I am totally torn by John's review.


I should have waited a little longer till soneone tried the DIR800C before I bought the XB-1.

Maybe the DIR800Cs even outclass the SE-XB-1

Afterall the 1,000Cs and the XB-1 have the same sound.

Dir800 has the sound I was vying for, perfect separation.
post #231 of 238
Quote:
Originally posted by sfxjames
Semi-open usually means it's a closed headphone but part of the sound leaks out. Open headphones leak out lot's sound while semi-open only leak out some degree of sound.

I am totally torn by John's review.


I should have waited a little longer till soneone tried the DIR800C before I bought the XB-1.

Maybe the DIR800Cs even outclass the SE-XB-1

Afterall the 1,000Cs and the XB-1 have the same sound.

Dir800 has the sound I was vying for, perfect separation.
Well, the DIR800 will be released outside of Japan soon, so you can buy it then at a discount price and sell your DIR1000C. I think that John's point was the DIR800 had better bass and was smaller than the DIR1000C.

I think the XB-1 includes some "bass boost", although to my ears, the DIR1000C has plenty of bass.
post #232 of 238
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by sfxjames
John Medeiros why did you sell your pioneer SE-DIR1000C was it the bass factor.

Question John I sit 8 feet from a 27" TV, which setting is the best to use for this, is it DH2. With this information what setting would you use and why.

When I play DH2 the center channel sounds a bit off like it's closer to me. Is this the kind of effect you get listening to DH2 when you play older movies re-mixed 5.1.

I have noticed a slight amount of depth that DH2 has rather than DH1, where the sound field infront sounds more apparent than in DH1. I am doing some more tests.
I love the DIR1000s but I sold mine because I bought the DIR800s and decided they were better for my needs....sizewize.

I use DH2 basically because I cannot make decisions LOL
post #233 of 238
Quote:
Originally posted by JMedeiros
I love the DIR1000s but I sold mine because I bought the DIR800s and decided they were better for my needs....sizewize.

I use DH2 basically because I cannot make decisions LOL
Now that you've spent quite bit of time with the DIR800C, has your feeling about them (or the DIR1000C) changed?
post #234 of 238
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Music Fanatic
Now that you've spent quite bit of time with the DIR800C, has your feeling about them (or the DIR1000C) changed?
Nope, if anything, I have grown to love them more as the phones have burned in.

Remember, I had some unit-specific problems with my 1000s...the "pinging" sound that was actually fixed by their new owner and the fact that low LFE signals caused them to clip. I guess this was eventually fixed by Pioneer based on reports from you guys.

I have none of these problems with my 800s.
John
post #235 of 238
John can give us your input on how well these headphone do with back to front effects.

Is there more focuss with them.

Does the sphere seem more smaller, I'm quite sure there is a reason for that.

It's no wonder the others weren't sent to the US, the products were were still at the testing phase.

I'm not suprised at all, the whole thing makes sense. The Smaller the circle of sound the better localized and focussed it is all around you, the bigger it is the more lifeless it sounds.
post #236 of 238
Quote:
Originally posted by sfxjames
It's no wonder the others weren't sent to the US, the products were were still at the testing phase.
Ahem! Some of us, as we have discussed on this board, wrote to Pioneer and urged them to release wireless Dolby Headphone units into the US. Some of us got phone calls from Pioneer's marketing department to ask our opinion after we sent these letters.
post #237 of 238

Thanks for the detailed review. The advantage of DH over 5.1 speakers is that my listening room, i.e., den, does not have symmetrical acoustic properties. Of course if you have a home theater room designed with great acoustics, and you sit in the sweet spot, it can be good. DH, on the other hand, has a perfect room simulation, no matter where you use them. I liked my SE-DIR1000C so much that I put my 5.1 speakers in storage! I agree criticism of the product is the headset, which as reported does not fit the head very well. And furthermore, it makes a tinny mechanical noise when it shifts on the head. The other short-fall is that Pioneer's marketing geniuses,  in their infinite dumbness did not design-in a remote control, so you can't change the DH room settings while watching a movie. Finally, I must add that I bought my set in Japan when they first came out, and it is now discontinued. I pray that the headset never breaks, because replacing will be near impossible. (My name is Michael Neidich, and I supported Lake Technologies, the developer of the software algorithm now marketed as Dolby Headphone. I was the audio products marketing manager at Zoran. DH was first implemented on a pair of Zoran audio DSP's.)

post #238 of 238

Just wanted to pop in (Eleven Years Later!) and say that I STILL use my Pioneer Dolby Headphones. Original transmitter and headphones still going strong!

 

(Think they are broken in yet?) :D 


Edited by Astropin - 5/2/14 at 3:11pm
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