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The Wind Rises (2013): 8/10

 

 

But there's got to be more to it than that. Jiro's planes, beautiful as they may have been, were killing machines, and they were effective ones. Jiro expresses some amount of regret at this fact in the film--when working on a bomber design, he laments that the plane, which had originally been built to carry human cargo, must now carry bombs instead, and at another point he half-jokes that he could make the perfect prototype for his fighter plane if only he could remove the guns. Still, in pursuing his exploration of beauty and how it can be corrupted, Miyazaki makes a critical misstep in how vastly he abstracts the human cost of Jiro's dream machine--the planes themselves are ultimately lamented more by Jiro (as far as we are allowed to see) than even the humans that died flying them, never mind the lives that were snuffed out in combat during the war. Of course, this perceived misstep could simply be due to how much Miyazaki sympathizes with the character Jiro as a fellow artist (I think you could make a strong point for Jiro being based heavily on Miyazaki himself)--but does even this charmingly fictionalized version of Jiro deserve our sympathy? As portrayed, he was simply a driven engineer who loved his country and was passionate about his work. Easy to sympathize with, right? Still, Jiro's single-mindedness, while admirable to some respect, is also troublesome, and the tragic romantic subplot  that drives the latter half of the film is equally worrisome--he neglects the supposed love of his life and to some degree trivializes her poor health, while managing to disguise his neglectful behavior with/as love. Perhaps the fault lies in me as a somewhat cynical viewer--Miyazaki is obviously concerned with only a narrow band of themes here, and there's no denying that he explores the ones that he cares about fully and beautifully. *Still,* I can't help but be perturbed by how unconcerned he seems to be with things that I find to be greatly concerning--I think it's slightly dishonest of Miyazaki (a self-confessed cynic, despite all film evidence to the contrary) to tell this otherwise perfect tale of lament without also lamenting the great human cost tied up in the events of this film. The last line of the film, in particular, left a sour taste in my mouth--that it followed one of the best lines in the film just hurt even worse. (If only we all had Italian spirit guides that prevented us from examining our failings with the promise of a good wine.)

 

I got an impression that Jiro was a deliberately idealized character. Hence I think that pointing out the controversial nature of creating war airplanes is like missing a point of the whole movie ( the point of the film is in uncompromising idealization of the main characters and pre-war time in Japan). Any controversy or down-to-earthness would have destroyed idealistic, sentimental and romantic tone of the film. Also I didn't notice that Jiro neglected his love. 

 

If there were faults they were in different things in my opinion. What is the purpose of a cartoon if it imitates regular film? Isn't the main advantage of an animated product that there is no boundaries for your fantasy? That was the reason why I felt a little bit uncomfortable watching The Wind Rises. It was a very unusual format to me.


Edited by mutabor - 3/16/14 at 2:46pm
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I got an impression that Jiro was a deliberately idealized character. Hence I think that pointing out the controversial nature of creating war airplanes is like missing a point of the whole movie. Any controversy or down-to-earthness would have destroyed idealistic, sentimental and romantic tone of the film. Also I didn't notice that Jiro neglected his love. 

 

If there were faults they were in different things in my opinion. What is the purpose of a cartoon if it imitates regular film? That was the reason why I felt a little bit uncomfortable watching The Wind Rises.

 

I agree, I do think that Jiro was a deliberately idealized character. But I think that's inherently problematic in any film where the protagonist is a patriot, regardless of the sentiment or tone of the film--it tends to smack a little of propaganda or worship. With regards to his relationship with his wife, that's more a matter of my personal opinion, I suppose. I've talked to other people about it and they didn't pick up on those undertones either, and I don't believe that Miyazaki intended for them to be read in that way. 

 

As for the question of whether this should have been filmed in live-action or not--well, Miyazaki is an animator. So the choice seems obvious to me. And I wouldn't say that The Wind Rises imitates live-action film--the dream sequences, the surreal/fantastic presentation of the earthquake, and the planes' sound design are all aspects of the film that could come across poorly in a live action film. There's also, of course, a certain beauty in well-done animation that can be very admirable--I think this film has that in spades. I'd be afraid that if it were a live-action movie it would come across as too workmanlike to inspire the awe that it does in animated form. And even if they got a great cinematographer, there's still obviously quite a difference between a film that's been animated and a film that's been expertly shot.  Also, the film was adapted by Miyazaki from a manga that he wrote and illustrated--in my experience with Japanese comics and anime, manga tends to translate into anime far more readily than it does into live action.


Edited by metalsonata - 3/16/14 at 2:54pm
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I got an impression that Jiro was a deliberately idealized character. Hence I think that pointing out the controversial nature of creating war airplanes is like missing a point of the whole movie ( the point of the film is in uncompromising idealization of the main characters and pre-war time in Japan). Any controversy or down-to-earthness would have destroyed idealistic, sentimental and romantic tone of the film. Also I didn't notice that Jiro neglected his love. 

If there were faults they were in different things in my opinion. What is the purpose of a cartoon if it imitates regular film? Isn't the main advantage of an animated product that there is no boundaries for your fantasy? That was the reason why I felt a little bit uncomfortable watching The Wind Rises. It was a very unusual format to me.

I feel like this is a very limiting viewpoint to the entire medium, both sandboxing it and undermining it's credibility as an art form.

There's something very primal, fundamental and intuitive I think about the connection that people can have with drawn artwork.

Both mediums have their place and I don't see any reason why there couldn't be an overlap in subject matter.
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I feel like this is a very limiting viewpoint to the entire medium, both sandboxing it and undermining it's credibility as an art form.

There's something very primal, fundamental and intuitive I think about the connection that people can have with drawn artwork.

Both mediums have their place and I don't see any reason why there couldn't be an overlap in subject matter.

 

Well, I read criticisms that The Wind Rises is not engaging as Miyazaki's previous works because it is very realistic, it imitates real life ( imagination is restricted). It is not a typical film for Miyazaki. 


Edited by mutabor - 3/16/14 at 3:26pm
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I agree, I do think that Jiro was a deliberately idealized character. But I think that's inherently problematic in any film where the protagonist is a patriot, regardless of the sentiment or tone of the film--it tends to smack a little of propaganda or worship. 

 

Miyazaki in his interview said that he decided to be honest and portray pre-war Japan as it was for his parents and their compatriots - very happy and bright times. 

 

Sorry for off topic. What a hard time have people in Ukraine who fight for complete independence from Russia. Supporters of revolution are in the center surrounded by attackers.

 

 

 


Edited by mutabor - 3/17/14 at 12:58am
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Well, I read criticisms that The Wind Rises is not engaging as Miyazaki's previous works because it is very realistic, it imitates real life ( imagination is restricted). It is not a typical film for Miyazaki. 

 

It actually was very reminiscent of Porco Rosso I thought, another film of his where the fantastical elements are kept to a minimum, comparatively speaking. (Not to mention other animated films he's written/produced but did not direct, like Whisper of the Heart and From Up on Poppy Hill.) I never got the idea that the imaginative force of The Wind Rises was in some way restricted--it wasn't as 'down-the-rabbit-hole' as something like Spirited Away or Howl's Moving Castle, certainly, but I also never thought at any point that animation was the wrong medium for it. It helps too that even his most fantastical films tend to be very grounded and extremely detailed in some ways--you get a real feeling for how characters interact with their environments on a day-to-day basis (how they operate machinery or perform simple chores are the two big ones,) and that same sense pervaded The Wind Rises. It's my opinion that anyone who says The Wind Rises isn't a typical Miyazaki film probably hasn't seen enough Miyazaki--at the very least, if it's not a 'typical' film for him, it's certainly not an atypical film, either.

 

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Miyazaki in his interview said that he decided to be honest and portray pre-war Japan as it was for his parents and their compatriots - very happy and bright times. 

 

But he also portrayed (to admittedly limited degrees) the horror of the Kanto Earthquake and the despair of the populace during the Depression. In the end, even Jiro's dreams became corrupted. Typically nostalgia and idealism do factor heavily into Miyazaki's films (and Ghibli's films in general), but they're generally tempered in some way up to a point, as they are here. 

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Finally, the Need For Speed movie is out. I'm seeing it this weekend biggrin.gif
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I love when I come across a film I've never heard of, and then it goes on to become an unexpected gem. This movie is so simple in terms of its story, but yet at the same time the characters - particularly the lead - are just rich with depth. I found this story very endearing, and it's one of those times where I wish I could just continue on knowing these people and seeing what happens from here. What a great little movie...I highly recommend it. 

 

"Teddy Bear" - 9.4/10

 

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 I watched this last night..it's what I am legend and the omega man are based on..out of the three the omega man is my favourite!

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The Grand Budapest Hotel ( 2014) 7.5/10

 

It is my second Wes Anderson's film and I came to a conclusion that his style is not my cup of tea. Spike Jonze with his hipsterish Her is much more enjoyable, engaging and thoughtful than theatrical and mannered The Grand Hotel.

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Gravity 3D Bluray

Visually ... Stunning. Amazing production.
Otherwise... Stupid! Defies logic, physics and probability. I couldn't wait for it to end.
Audio mix... C- imo it could have been so much better.

BIG disappointment.
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American Hustle (2013) - 7,5 (Revaluated to 9,5)

 

A fiction told in flamboyant scenic style (highly influenced by Scorcese) based on real events. I do appreciate this narrative style but the acting and direction didn't keep up with the aspirations of this work in my opinion. I liked Jennifer Lawrence and always enjoy seeing Robert De Niro playing a badass Gangster, most other characters lacked some authenticity and the dialogues could had been more accomplished (felt like some actors/actresses weren't at ease with the reportedly improvised acting). I couldn't help but notice some rhythmical incoherence or inconsistence thoughout this movie, it didn't flow or dance as smoothly as I'd like (and as it was trying to?) mostly due to lack of insight in the editing department and in the way how the narrative is conveyed in tone. American Hustle deserved more technical commitment and clairvoyance from the direction, I think the screenplay is perfect to be explored by this cinematic style. A bit more competence and a modern classic should had been born... for the better or for the worse. I enjoy it as pure entertainment, great soundtrack, exciting and comical moments to be lived... but a few fails as well...


Edited by kkl10 - 3/24/14 at 2:54pm
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American Hustle (2013) - 7,5

A fiction told in flamboyant scenic style (highly influenced by Scorcese) based on real events. I do appreciate this narrative style but the acting and direction didn't keep up with the aspirations of this work in my opinion. I liked Jennifer Lawrence and always enjoy seeing Robert De Niro playing a badass Gangster, most other characters lacked some authenticity and the dialogues could had been more accomplished (felt like some actors/actresses weren't at ease with the reportedly improvised acting). I couldn't help but notice some rhythmical incoherence or inconsistence thoughout this movie, it didn't flow or dance as smoothly as I'd like (and as it was trying to?) mostly due to lack of insight in the editing department and in the way how the narrative is conveyed in tone. American Hustle deserved more technical commitment and clairvoyance from the direction, I think the screenplay is perfect to be explored by this cinematic style. A bit more competence and a modern classic should had been born... for the better or for the worse. I enjoy it as pure entertainment, great soundtrack, exciting and comical moments to be lived... but a few fails as well...
I found it to be a terribly boring movie tbh. I wouldn't even give it a 3
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To be honest I also was a kinda bored during the first 20 or 30 minutes as the movie introduced the Con artists and their past lives, even though I couldn't find anything wong with it and scenes had a nice musical flow to them. It was when the FBI agent DiMaso joined forces with the Con artists to move forward with the massive anti-corruption operation that things started to get more interesting to watch. I guess it's easy for a viewer to be so bored in the beginning that the growing intrincacies of the plot pass unnoticed... in any case I find American Hustle to have nice formal beauty.

 

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The Grand Budapest Hotel ( 2014) 7.5/10

 

It is my second Wes Anderson's film and I came to a conclusion that his style is not my cup of tea. Spike Jonze with his hipsterish Her is much more enjoyable, engaging and thoughtful than theatrical and mannered The Grand Hotel.

 

I'm very interested in this film as in other Wes Anderson works, I watched the trailer and loved the poetic nature of the cinematography, seems like this is a consistent quality in Wes Anderson films. Can't wait to see his ouvre.


Edited by kkl10 - 3/18/14 at 4:06pm
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Gravity 3D Bluray

Visually ... Stunning. Amazing production.
Otherwise... Stupid! Defies logic, physics and probability. I couldn't wait for it to end.
Audio mix... C- imo it could have been so much better.

BIG disappointment.

I have yet to see it but from the trailers I have seen they make the movie look horrible. It is getting rave reviews from a lot of people though.

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