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post #15091 of 19946
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In my opinion ideas were expressed very clear in the film. Ender was special because behind his power to resist there was also talent to organize and overcome ego. His rivals like his destructive brother and "bad" guys in the program didn't see beyond their egoistic motives. So the film examines psychology of leadership. It is the first layer.

 

The first layer deals how to organize the will of numerous egos into one cooperative unity. Then their is the second layer which perspective is even more complex and bigger in scale. It examines the survival and strategy of organized units ( struggle of different civilizations). Military department of every government in our world is aimed to destroy the enemy. Ideological machine makes its citizens to believe that foreign civilization is there to destroy them. If on individual level we have made progress and came to understanding that we can coexist but on the level of big units or species ( countries or civilizations) there is still severe struggle for survival ( it's either you or another will survive, no alternatives). And the film deals with the complex problem: as individuals we believe in coexistence but on the scale of species we are ready to destroy each other and can't do anything about that. We can overcome ego in individual ( making huge efforts) but we didn't learn  and don't know how to overcome ego of large groups. 

 

I can closely relate to these two layers of the film. I can relate to the first layer as a guy who has served in the Army ( though for short period of time) with "dog eats dog" order. "Ender's Game' book should be given in our military forces as a must read to restore order and civilized relationship among soldiers. I know that in the USA this book is a part of marines training helping to understand leadership skills.

 

I can relate to the second layer as a guy who was brought up in a country which was confrontational to the world. I'm not living in Russia but I see that Putin is returning the country on confrontational path and is restoring Soviet order with extremely hostile attitude toward the West.

 

Ender's Game is hands down the most compelling and thought provoking sci-fi movie of last year. In comparison very popular movie Hunger Games is completely fake and artificial.

 

I enjoyed reading your analysis, but I disagree that these issues were presented in any sort of meaningful, organized, or intelligent manner in the film. I have no doubt the book delves into all of this, but if I'm just taking the movie at face value I don't really see any of that explored beyond a very superficial level, if at all. Harrison Ford's unwavering belief that Ender represents the one unique leader he believes will lead Earth to victory against their enemy was completely unfounded in terms of what the film presented. And to take a risk of such magnitude at the end of his training? The extreme cavalier nature of that decision completely goes against and invalidates the idea that the very people they are trying to protect and defend have any value at all. To me, it came off a a commentary on their expendability. 

post #15092 of 19946
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I enjoyed reading your analysis, but I disagree that these issues were presented in any sort of meaningful, organized, or intelligent manner in the film. I have no doubt the book delves into all of this, but if I'm just taking the movie at face value I don't really see any of that explored beyond a very superficial level, if at all. Harrison Ford's unwavering belief that Ender represents the one unique leader he believes will lead Earth to victory against their enemy was completely unfounded in terms of what the film presented. And to take a risk of such magnitude at the end of his training? The extreme cavalier nature of that decision completely goes against and invalidates the idea that the very people they are trying to protect and defend have any value at all. To me, it came off a a commentary on their expendability. 

I don't know whether the movie dived into any of Ender's characterization or not, but in the book Ender is an *extremely* difficult-to-sympathize-with protagonist, and the way the adult characters justify the extreme violence he inflicts on others (both on a smaller human scale and of course on a genocidal scale) is frankly pretty disgusting. All of which I wouldn't take too much issue with if it weren't for the fact that people take the novel very seriously as a sci-fi classic, and I think that people who do read it for the lessons it imparts are on the receiving end of some pretty messed-up lessons. (I wouldn't feel too unjustified in lumping Ender's Game in with Ayn Rand's novels in this respect.) The sequels I think try to rectify some of this, but they've got a host of other worrisome problems that drag them down, not the least of which Card was obviously milking Ender for all the cash he was worth. I imagine the movie white-washed some of the squickier parts in the novel, but now I am getting pretty curious to watch it and find out. I always try to offer Dune up as being a fine counter-point to Ender's Game--not only is the writing considerably better and the characters more interesting/fully-realized, but the moral issues it tangles with are *actually* wrestled with. Plus Dune has just aged a lot better--I can read it now as an adult and still enjoy it. Now, if only someone would give it the big-screen adaptation it deserves.... (No, I'm not a fan of Lynch's take on it.)

post #15093 of 19946
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Originally Posted by metalsonata View Post
 

I don't know whether the movie dived into any of Ender's characterization or not, but in the book Ender is an *extremely* difficult-to-sympathize-with protagonist, and the way the adult characters justify the extreme violence he inflicts on others (both on a smaller human scale and of course on a genocidal scale) is frankly pretty disgusting. All of which I wouldn't take too much issue with if it weren't for the fact that people take the novel very seriously as a sci-fi classic, and I think that people who do read it for the lessons it imparts are on the receiving end of some pretty messed-up lessons. (I wouldn't feel too unjustified in lumping Ender's Game in with Ayn Rand's novels in this respect.) The sequels I think try to rectify some of this, but they've got a host of other worrisome problems that drag them down, not the least of which Card was obviously milking Ender for all the cash he was worth. I imagine the movie white-washed some of the squickier parts in the novel, but now I am getting pretty curious to watch it and find out. I always try to offer Dune up as being a fine counter-point to Ender's Game--not only is the writing considerably better and the characters more interesting/fully-realized, but the moral issues it tangles with are *actually* wrestled with. Plus Dune has just aged a lot better--I can read it now as an adult and still enjoy it. Now, if only someone would give it the big-screen adaptation it deserves.... (No, I'm not a fan of Lynch's take on it.)

 

Okay, I'm glad you brought up Dune. Often times I'll have read the book and then checked out the film later, but in that case it was the film that drove me to the book. To me, that is a great example of what I would have expected (generally speaking) from a film like Ender's game. Just based on the comments that you and others have made about the book (Enders Game), it sounds like "white-washed" is a great term for what happened. When you do see the film, try as best you can to see it with fresh eyes, cause I'd really be curious where you stand on it. It sounds to me like the story was pretty well fleshed-out in the book based on what you guys are saying. 

post #15094 of 19946
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Okay, I'm glad you brought up Dune. Often times I'll have read the book and then checked out the film later, but in that case it was the film that drove me to the book. To me, that is a great example of what I would have expected (generally speaking) from a film like Ender's game. Just based on the comments that you and others have made about the book (Enders Game), it sounds like "white-washed" is a great term for what happened. When you do see the film, try as best you can to see it with fresh eyes, cause I'd really be curious where you stand on it. It sounds to me like the story was pretty well fleshed-out in the book based on what you guys are saying. 

 

Speaking of Dune, has anyone seen the documentary 'Jodorowsky's Dune?' It looks fascinating. I think most sci-fi film fans are well aware of the details: it was going to be 10-14 hours long, Giger was a primary concept artist, it would star such arts heavyweights as Dali and Orson Welles, would feature a prog rock soundtrack by Pink Floyd and Magma, and would be a drastic re-interpretation of Herbert's story. Still, Jodorowsky is a fascinating figure with an absolutely awe-inspiring ego lol--I wouldn't mind listening to him for an hour and a half or so detailing everything he wanted to accomplish with the picture. Still hoping that at some point the production diaries are released commercially--I'd love to see the script and the storyboards. 

 

 

post #15095 of 19946

Now I'm wanting to get a copy of Dune and fire it up on the projector lol....you guys know if the bluray transfer is any good? It's been so long since I've seen the film, I'm eager to check it out in beautiful 1080p. I already have the Dark City bluray here to re-watch, cause I haven't seen that film in ages, as well. There is also a Roger Ebert commentary in the bonus features that I want to check out. Wonder what amazing special features the Dune bluray might have...is that documentary on there? 

post #15096 of 19946
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Now I'm wanting to get a copy of Dune and fire it up on the projector lol....you guys know if the bluray transfer is any good? It's been so long since I've seen the film, I'm eager to check it out in beautiful 1080p. I already have the Dark City bluray here to re-watch, cause I haven't seen that film in ages, as well. There is also a Roger Ebert commentary in the bonus features that I want to check out. Wonder what amazing special features the Dune bluray might have...is that documentary on there? 

 

That documentary debuted at Cannes last year I think--I don't believe it's received any physical release yet. To be honest it's been a *long* time since I've seen the Lynch Dune. I did hear that the alternative cuts of it that were done without Lynch's blessing are a bit easier to get one's hands on these days. I think it'd be interesting to watch one of those, though I'm not sure that anything could salvage it for me. I've got the DVD of the director's cut Dark City with the Ebert commentary on it--shame on me, I actually haven't watched it yet. And that's been one of those commentaries I've been looking forward to sitting through for a long time. 

post #15097 of 19946
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That documentary debuted at Cannes last year I think--I don't believe it's received any physical release yet. To be honest it's been a *long* time since I've seen the Lynch Dune. I did hear that the alternative cuts of it that were done without Lynch's blessing are a bit easier to get one's hands on these days. I think it'd be interesting to watch one of those, though I'm not sure that anything could salvage it for me. I've got the DVD of the director's cut Dark City with the Ebert commentary on it--shame on me, I actually haven't watched it yet. And that's been one of those commentaries I've been looking forward to sitting through for a long time. 

 

If you check out the Ebert track before I do, let me know how it is...I heard Dark City was one of his favorite films of all time, so should be very interesting. 

post #15098 of 19946
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post
 

Now I'm wanting to get a copy of Dune and fire it up on the projector lol....you guys know if the bluray transfer is any good? It's been so long since I've seen the film, I'm eager to check it out in beautiful 1080p. I already have the Dark City bluray here to re-watch, cause I haven't seen that film in ages, as well. There is also a Roger Ebert commentary in the bonus features that I want to check out. Wonder what amazing special features the Dune bluray might have...is that documentary on there? 

Blu ray of Dune is clear as you would ever want something to be. Crazy clear.

post #15099 of 19946
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Originally Posted by metalsonata View Post
 

 

Speaking of Dune, has anyone seen the documentary 'Jodorowsky's Dune?' It looks fascinating. I think most sci-fi film fans are well aware of the details: it was going to be 10-14 hours long, Giger was a primary concept artist, it would star such arts heavyweights as Dali and Orson Welles, would feature a prog rock soundtrack by Pink Floyd and Magma, and would be a drastic re-interpretation of Herbert's story. Still, Jodorowsky is a fascinating figure with an absolutely awe-inspiring ego lol--I wouldn't mind listening to him for an hour and a half or so detailing everything he wanted to accomplish with the picture. Still hoping that at some point the production diaries are released commercially--I'd love to see the script and the storyboards. 

 

 

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1935156/   Have not seen it. I don't want to see it either. El Topo is his masterpiece. This making of Dune looks like the extra you get on a DVD.

 

 

 

This just out too!

 

 

El Topo is by far one of my most favorite. Fando and Liz next then Holy Mountain. I watch em every year or so.

 

 

Alejandro Jodorowsky was much cooler when people did not know who he was and didn't give him standing ovations but tried to hurt him after seeing one of his movies. The only good part is he has more money now.


Edited by Redcarmoose - 2/13/14 at 7:23pm
post #15100 of 19946
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose View Post
 

Blu ray of Dune is clear as you would ever want something to be. Crazy clear.

 

That's what I was hoping to hear...thanks man

post #15101 of 19946

Raanjhanaa ( 2013, India) 8/10

 

 

Loved this film! It is a story about unshared love. So if you had such experience, you might try this movie.

 

When I came to India first time my goal was to travel in time machine and find myself in a place where time has stopped. Yeah, and it turned out how I expected. I visited sacred places and spent several months in Himalayas. I watched several in Indian movie theaters and my experience was pretty intense. From that time I started following Bollywood movies though I had watched Bollywood since my childhood because Indian movies were run in the USSR movie theaters and at that time there was very limited repertoire of foreign films so some Bollywood films had cult status in the Soviet Union. 

 

 

 


Edited by mutabor - 2/14/14 at 2:56am
post #15102 of 19946

Breathless (1960) - 8

First feature film of irreverent Godard and one of the seminal works of the Nouvelle Vague movement in France.
In 1960, same year when Hitchcock reached his (and may I say whole Classical Hollywood Cinema) aesthetical apex with Psycho, Breathless was a bold experiment in visual style and editing, it became one of the most influential films ever made.
Quite an interesting exercise to contrast both cinematic paradigmas, Breathless makes Classical Cinema look dated, inflexible and of limited expressive range, Psycho makes most Nouvelle Vague statements look reckless, objectless and a mess all over the place.
Early result of the transgressive and reactionary agenda of the young elites of the 60's which eventually lead to the rise of post-modern paradigma in arts and society.
Being a seminal demonstration of post-modern cinema, Breathless still has a singular and contemporary visual identity.
The mix of existential mindset and humour driving the characters dialogues and actions, in the trivial plot, is the icing on the cake.


Edited by kkl10 - 2/14/14 at 7:23am
post #15103 of 19946
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose View Post
 

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1935156/   Have not seen it. I don't want to see it either. El Topo is his masterpiece. This making of Dune looks like the extra you get on a DVD.

 

This just out too!

 

 

El Topo is by far one of my most favorite. Fando and Liz next then Holy Mountain. I watch em every year or so.

 

 

Alejandro Jodorowsky was much cooler when people did not know who he was and didn't give him standing ovations but tried to hurt him after seeing one of his movies. The only good part is he has more money now.

 

Been a *long* time since I've watched any Jodorowsky. I know that his stuff has actually been widely available on DVD recently though--I need to make a point of picking some of it up. Particularly El Topo, Holy Mountain, and Santa Sangre. 

post #15104 of 19946
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Originally Posted by metalsonata View Post

Been a *long* time since I've watched any Jodorowsky. I know that his stuff has actually been widely available on DVD recently though--I need to make a point of picking some of it up. Particularly El Topo, Holy Mountain, and Santa Sangre. 


Some have a minute by minute audio track where he explains his goals. The first series of DVDs were out in 2008 or 2009. Blu ray editions in 2011 if I remember right.
post #15105 of 19946

Beauty and the Beast: 9.87/10

 

It's Valentines day!!! AND I'M SINGLE!!!! FFFUUUUUUU!!!! Well, I shouldn't complain... Anyways I want to celebrate lov... **** this... so, I pick a totally awesome good romantic movie. Therefore I chose Beauty and the Beast. Yes it's a kids film but it takes time to explore the romance between the two. A lot of films did it blandly, it isn't enough romantic., like other Disney stuff: Snow White, Sleeping Beauty... you get the idea. Talk about no romance, "Cough" "Cough" "Cough" "Cough" twilig... FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway its a good romantic movie (especially from a kid film) with Disney quality musical. Check it out with your headphones if your curious. 

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