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Zero Dark Thirty.

 

I don't get the praise.

 

This could have been 15 - 20 minutes and worked better overall.

 

Booooooooooooooooooring.

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Zero Dark Thirty.

 

I don't get the praise.

 

This could have been 15 - 20 minutes and worked better overall.

 

Booooooooooooooooooring.

 

Exactly. It captures the essence of the search for BL. Explosions and car chases would have been false.

post #13353 of 15960
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Exactly. It captures the essence of the search for BL. Explosions and car chases would have been false.

 



Point taken.  I watch documentaries too.  And like a number of them.  But then they don't get a blockbuster Hollywood treatment either.

 

I think that is what ruined it for me.

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Point taken.  I watch documentaries too.  And like a number of them.  But then they don't get a blockbuster Hollywood treatment either.

 

I think that is what ruined it for me.

 

 

It got the kind of acclaim it did because it was a well-told story from the same director who made The Hurt Locker.

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Zero Dark Thirty.

 

I don't get the praise.

 

This could have been 15 - 20 minutes and worked better overall.

 

Booooooooooooooooooring.

It was "the boring part" that I found most interesting.  That is the actual method employed to track down international criminals. I recently read the account of how the CIA helped to track down Pablo Escobar.  It takes years of persistence and hard detective work.  It was fascinating to see the behind the scenes effort and how difficult it really was.  

 

The action was a given. 

 

I dig the Mr. Bill avatar


Edited by RUMAY408 - 6/20/13 at 6:42pm
post #13356 of 15960

 

Oz: Great and Powerful (2013)

 

4.5 / 10

 

Only thing that kept me going all the way through was that it was a Sam Raimi film, but man this movie made Tim Burton's newer stuff look like masterpiece theater. James Franko is a low-rent Johnny Depp in this, and Mila Cunis was laughably bad as the witch. CG was all over the place too, some was decent, other parts looked like they were short on time and had to throw something together in a couple of hours.

 

I don't know how this movie got favorable reviews. It was whack.

post #13357 of 15960

9.0/10 

 

Great film,  Work Sucks. 

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Am I the only one that felt Superman was basically Jesus in Man Of Steel?
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Am I the only one that felt Superman was basically Jesus in Man Of Steel?

Yeah...he's kind of always like that.
post #13360 of 15960
Dante's Peak

The dialogue was just not very good, but Brosan did a pretty good job with what he had, for the most part. The story needed a lot of refinement. But it really is an enjoyable movie, as has a very different feel than many others in the genre. I forgot how ridiculously good the special effects and CGI were, and not just for their time. I was impressed with some of it today.

6/10 if you don't care to be impressed by the effects that blend almost seamlessly into the movie, but it you do, 7/10.
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Zero Dark Thirty

 

It was "the boring part" that I found most interesting.  That is the actual method employed to track down international criminals. I recently read the account of how the CIA helped to track down Pablo Escobar.  It takes years of persistence and hard detective work.  It was fascinating to see the behind the scenes effort and how difficult it really was.  

 

I think that I made a mistake when I saw feminist agenda in ZDT. The main heroin Maya played by Jessica Chastein did irritate me a lot. At first I thought that there was a feminist agenda behind the development of Maya's character. It was very exaggerated to the level of some kind of messiah which was not a case in reality. So why did Kathryn Bigelow create such a mythic psychopathic character so unconvincingly played by Chastein?

 

Well there was her another movie Hurt Locker ( 2009, which I didn't watch) and there was another lonely psychopath as a main hero.

 

We should go to the college years ( Master's Degree at Columbia University) of Bigelow to understand her agendas. She was definitely influenced by her professor Sylvere Lotringer, a French philosopher who brought French post-structuralism to America and who defined himself as a "foreign agent provocateur" in the US.

 

"Schizo Culture," a four-day 1975 symposium featuring avant-garde artists (John Cage, William Burroughs) and academics (Gilles Deleuze, Félix Guattari, Jean-François Lyotard) was a milestone event in the ascendency of French theory in New Left political thinking—even if it remains relatively obscure to this day. Focusing, in part, on prisons, torture and emergent techniques of state-led social repression, the symposium was organized by French literary critic Sylvère Lotringer at Columbia University, where he remains a professor emeritus."

 

Words in bold above are prisons, torture and state repression. In ZDT we watched what? We watched state military bureaucratic machine of the USA which repressed individuals like FBI agent Maya who were really dedicated to their goal. We also watched detainees in prisons and we watched their tortures. 

 

Her first attempt in film making at the University:

 

Bigelow's short "The Set-Up," is a 20-minute deconstruction of violence in film. The film portrays "two men fighting each other as the semioticians Sylvère Lotringer and Marshall Blonsky deconstruct the images in voice-over." Bigelow asked her actors to actually beat and bludgeon each other throughout the film’s all-night shoot.

 

Now some criticism on ZDT:

 

This is the work of a commanding filmmaker who is willing, as well as able, to confront a full spectrum of moral ambiguity." After noting the controversy, he wrote: "Others will debate the facts, but I can tell you that Zero Dark Thirty does not apologize for torture, any more than it denounces it. What it does in the course of telling a seminal story of our time is what contemporary films so rarely do, serve as brilliant provocation.

 

Some critics have criticized Bigelow in pro-torture attitude. She doesn't really care because despite patriotic motive in the movie she doesn't like the State as a mechanism of repression. Remember she was influenced by new leftists. Hence she shows torture in brutal detail. Agent Maya overcomes these obstacles because of her obsession and fanaticism. She tortures detainees herself. I would say that the idea behind the movie is an ode to individualism against a system. The problem is that the viewers from other countries especially from the Middle East for example perceived such heroism in a negative way especially when we learned that innocent eastern people were killed, tortured etc. and we are not sure if Bin Laden was really responsible on 9/11 attack in the first place.


Edited by mutabor - 6/22/13 at 2:54am
post #13362 of 15960

Zero Dark Thirty: Either a good movie, bad movie, or so-so movie. No reason to keep grinding your ax over and over and over.

post #13363 of 15960
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Am I the only one that felt Superman was basically Jesus in Man Of Steel?

 

He tried to be, and horribly failed at that.

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Zero Dark Thirty: Either a good movie, bad movie, or so-so movie. No reason to keep grinding your ax over and over and over.

 

x2. "Feminist agenda" rolleyes.gif

 

 


 

Seriously though, MoS reminded me of Dragon Ball Z during the action scenes. It was equally as epic in scale.

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This is the work of a commanding filmmaker who is willing, as well as able, to confront a full spectrum of moral ambiguity." After noting the controversy, he wrote: "Others will debate the facts, but I can tell you that Zero Dark Thirty does not apologize for torture, any more than it denounces it. What it does in the course of telling a seminal story of our time is what contemporary films so rarely do, serve as brilliant provocation.

 

Some critics have criticized Bigelow in pro-torture attitude. She doesn't really care because despite patriotic motive in the movie she doesn't like the State as a mechanism of repression. Remember she was influenced by new leftists. Hence she shows torture in brutal detail. Agent Maya overcomes these obstacles because of her obsession and fanaticism. She tortures detainees herself. I would say that the idea behind the movie is an ode to individualism against a system. The problem is that the viewers from other countries especially from the Middle East for example perceived such heroism in a negative way especially when we learned that innocent eastern people were killed, tortured etc. and we are not sure if Bin Laden was really responsible on 9/11 attack in the first place.

 

Nice write-up, I agree for the most part. This same "ode" dynamic is played out in television series like 24 and Prison Break, along with the same detached and supposedly justified depictions of torture. Personally I find this type of dynamic to be a particularly odious type of propaganda, trying to establish this type of violent reality as the "new normal", now that we a firmly on a "war footing". Even though I find the conspiracy aspects of these shows entertaining, even the TV-level violence depicted bothers me sometimes. More because of the implications of this type of reality, along with the parallels in actual news stories than because of the graphicness of the depictions. I'm not sure about the motivation behind Prison Break, but Joel Surnow was known to be pretty hawkish politically by the cast of 24.


Edited by grokit - 6/22/13 at 1:18pm
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