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post #12301 of 17852
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The Matrix 10/10

 

The Matrix Reloaded 8/10

 

The Matrix Revolutions 7/10

 

Story wise 90% of it made sense until the end; acting and plot wise, the second and third movie went a bit overboard.

 

The only question I still have is regarding the first movie's ending. Neo makes a phone call to the machines (or the source), and tells them they're afraid of him, he can feel them, that he'll show the humans what the machines don't want them to see, a world without rules, control, or boundaries.

 

It doesn't make sense when viewed from the perspective of the second or third movies. The humans are still bound by the matrix, so nothings' changed, except that Zion hasn't been destroyed.

 

Seems to me the story was supposed to be open ended, with only one movie. The one cannot be destroyed by the machines, can manipulate the matrix as well as defeat the agents, and hence, is in a position to attack the machines from within the matrix. The machines still don't understand choice (they think in terms of probability, calculating the odds, humans don't), and hence the matrix goes out of control in time because its not made to handle that level of randomness.

 

The introduction of choice is what changed; now humans don't have to be bound by the Matrix if they don't want to be. Plus eternal war and conflict have been replaced by a negotiated peace and balance.

 

 

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I felt that way until I saw the 3rd one lol. After #2 I was open to seeing where they were taking the story, but then once I finished #3 I was just left with one huge "WTF" and couldn't help but view both films in the same light. I really wish I didn't feel this way, cause the first one just blew me away.


Going by the general opinion, the first movie is the original story, the other two are just ''stapled'' on.

 

I see your points but I still feel like the second and third Matrix movies deserve credit for effort and scope, after all they are trying to answer some huge existential questions.


Edited by grokit - 1/8/13 at 7:13pm
post #12302 of 17852

obviously, The Matrix trilogy can't be all that bad since someone manages to bring them up in this thread just about every single day...tongue.gif

 

For the record, I enjoyed all three.

post #12303 of 17852
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Originally Posted by proton007 View Post

 

 

The Matrix 10/10

 

The Matrix Reloaded 8/10

 

The Matrix Revolutions 7/10

 

Story wise 90% of it made sense until the end; acting and plot wise, the second and third movie went a bit overboard.

 

The only question I still have is regarding the first movie's ending. Neo makes a phone call to the machines (or the source), and tells them they're afraid of him, he can feel them, that he'll show the humans what the machines don't want them to see, a world without rules, control, or boundaries.

 

It doesn't make sense when viewed from the perspective of the second or third movies. The humans are still bound by the matrix, so nothings' changed, except that Zion hasn't been destroyed.

 

Seems to me the story was supposed to be open ended, with only one movie. The one cannot be destroyed by the machines, can manipulate the matrix as well as defeat the agents, and hence, is in a position to attack the machines from within the matrix. The machines still don't understand choice (they think in terms of probability, calculating the odds, humans don't), and hence the matrix goes out of control in time because its not made to handle that level of randomness.

The Matrix was in my mind a groundbreaking film, a weird mix of Kung Fu, computer technology and graphics, decent acting and a dense story.  4 academy awards which tends to get over looked. One of the few films I own on DVD and Blu-Ray 10/10.  One of my 10 favorite films of all time.  By the way great sound track (Rob Zombie and Rage Against the Machine etc).

 

2 Was good not great 7.5/10  3 was repetitive and wordy 6/10

 

Bottom line I enjoyed the Matrix over the Real World.

post #12304 of 17852

I think if the first film wasn't SO fuggin amazing, I probably wouldn't be so hard on the other two. Actually, if they just wouldn't have given neo actual super powers (lol) I probably wouldn't be as hard on them either. I just cannot get past that no matter how hard I try. As much as I do wish I had liked the others, it's actually okay because the first one has held up so well over the years and was so thoroughly and completely satisfying as a stand alone film, I don't feel like I "need" to like the others any more than I did. I know people who didn't care for the original, and I just don't understand that at all. What more do you WANT from a movie? It had pretty much everything...damn near perfect film. 

post #12305 of 17852

^ Some people are completely beholden to the reality that they perceive, and are simply not willing or able to entertain the possibility of alternatives to that reality.

post #12306 of 17852

The story of Matrix is super dumb. Humans being used as batteries hardly energy efficient. And wouldn´t make for  a good super computer cluster either.

But that really doesn´t matter much for us that love to escape reality sometimes :)

post #12307 of 17852
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The story of Matrix is super dumb. Humans being used as batteries hardly energy efficient. And wouldn´t make for  a good super computer cluster either.

But that really doesn´t matter much for us that love to escape reality sometimes :)

 

I doubt its only for batteries, although, with the sun out, its the only source of power for the machines. As a benefit, it also keeps humans in control.

post #12308 of 17852
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The story of Matrix is super dumb. Humans being used as batteries hardly energy efficient. And wouldn´t make for  a good super computer cluster either.

But that really doesn´t matter much for us that love to escape reality sometimes :)

I think the Brothers were after more of a shock factor (humans as batteries) plus symbolically representing humans as slaves to the machines that were once our slaves.  I don't know about your job but it seems to me that the world is strangely moving in this direction.  I can do more with the technology at my exposure but the only consequence is an expectation that I should do more. 

post #12309 of 17852
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I think the Brothers were after more of a shock factor (humans as batteries) plus symbolically representing humans as slaves to the machines that were once our slaves.  I don't know about your job but it seems to me that the world is strangely moving in this direction.  I can do more with the technology at my exposure but the only consequence is an expectation that I should do more. 

 

Well, we are not that into machines yet.

If you've seen the Animatrix, the future represented there is more likely IMO. We are already automating mundane tasks, not to mention hazardous ones as well. Think about it, the machines taking care of household tasks, they can grow the food, process it (already do), cook it (already do in a lot of places) and distribute it (fast food anyone?).

In short, anything that can be broken down into steps, and has deterministic behaviour, can be automated.

 

The only thing machines cannot do is be creative, innovate and discover, and improve technology.  Atleast the current architecture doesn't permit them to. Maybe some new way of computing in the future can.

In terms of humans, that divides us into two groups, those that make these machines, and those that don't. Machines are going to take over a big chunk of the latter jobs, and a big population of our world is going to be rendered useless.

 

The machines in the matrix are unique in the respect that they have conquered self replication and evolution, and hence, are no different from any other species in that respect.


Edited by proton007 - 1/9/13 at 6:39am
post #12310 of 17852
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post

The story of Matrix is super dumb. Humans being used as batteries hardly energy efficient. And wouldn´t make for  a good super computer cluster either.

But that really doesn´t matter much for us that love to escape reality sometimes :)

 

That's a pretty superficial analysis, but I see your point.

The machines have obviously taken thermodynamic bio-efficiencies and human cellular intelligence mapping to a whole new level wink_face.gif

post #12311 of 17852
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Originally Posted by RUMAY408 View Post

I think the Brothers were after more of a shock factor (humans as batteries) plus symbolically representing humans as slaves to the machines that were once our slaves.  I don't know about your job but it seems to me that the world is strangely moving in this direction.  I can do more with the technology at my exposure but the only consequence is an expectation that I should do more. 

 

*Siblings. Lana (aka Larry) is no longer a "bro", bro....I vote we rename this thread "rate the last Matrix movie you saw"

 

j/k

 

Hobbit (2012) 7/10

 

Looked pretty, but was stretched far too thin. Reminded me why I don't care for the LotR films in the first place. Game of Thrones is a universe I'd much rather spend hundreds of hours in.

post #12312 of 17852

I enjoy the Matrix, but don't think it's quite the masterpiece that everyone else thinks it is, it would seem. Probably because I saw Dark City first, which tackles many of the same themes (some people go so far as to say that the Matrix is actually a rip-off), but does so in a considerably more engaging and ultimately rewarding way... If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend that you do. Do yourself a tremendous favor and watch the director's cut though--the difference between the director's cut of Dark City and the theatrical cut is much like the difference between the theatrical Bladerunner and whatever the newest cut of it is. The Ultimate Cut? Anyways, it's worth seeking out, and is sadly something of a neglected sci-fi masterpiece.

post #12313 of 17852
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I enjoy the Matrix, but don't think it's quite the masterpiece that everyone else thinks it is, it would seem. Probably because I saw Dark City first, which tackles many of the same themes (some people go so far as to say that the Matrix is actually a rip-off), but does so in a considerably more engaging and ultimately rewarding way... If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend that you do. Do yourself a tremendous favor and watch the director's cut though--the difference between the director's cut of Dark City and the theatrical cut is much like the difference between the theatrical Bladerunner and whatever the newest cut of it is. The Ultimate Cut? Anyways, it's worth seeking out, and is sadly something of a neglected sci-fi masterpiece.

 

Yep, thats a good one. But some may not like the film-noir feel. The concept is similar.

post #12314 of 17852

Hotel Transylvania 9/10

 

A good mix of jokes for kids and adults. The story is simple, but characters are interesting, and the theme of racial stereotyping is very nicely presented.

post #12315 of 17852

 

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That's a pretty superficial analysis, but I see your point.

The machines have obviously taken thermodynamic bio-efficiencies and human cellular intelligence mapping to a whole new level wink_face.gif

Lol Matrix is superficial like that. It doesn´t go deep at all. Prometheus is the same way. The second time I saw it I was like wow why is people spinning off about this it´s super clear what it´s all about. It was also clear to me that it really should have been better. There is no character to like in that movie.

It´s wrong when you are supposed to like the android the most despite only carrying false emotions :p

 

X2 on Dark City. I don´t know which version I saw but I believe I found it for sale for just about nothing so perhaps not the directors cut.

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