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post #12091 of 16057

The problem I have with all three movies is that the interesting ideas that I want to know more about always wound up taking a backseat to the fight scenes and special effects. This was less of a problem in the first Matrix, more of a problem in the second one (which they then tried to over-compensate for in a few scenes) and was the major problem with the third, which was pretty much just a poorly-acted special effects parade of intellectual bankruptcy, so far as I'm concerned. The filmmakers' idea of intellectual intrigue the third time around mostly consisted of ham-handed Jesus references. Hooray. Sure, the special effects were great. But great CGI does not make a great movie, and the magic (and banked good will) of the first one was pretty much gone by the time the third rolled around. All in my opinion.

post #12092 of 16057

Midway - 8/10

 

I'm able to forgive some of the sub-par acting and cheesy airplane sequences. It seems fairly accurate.

If you like WWII movies, this one is worth watching. Lots of good actors in this one.

 

Starring Hal Holbrook, Henry Fonda, Charlton Hesten, Toshiro Mifune, Pat Morita (Mr. Miyagi!) and Robert Mitchum.

 

Oh yeah, it also has the Japanese CEO from Die Hard 1 in it. James Shigeta. I kept saying "Who is that guy?" and I finally realized who it was.

post #12093 of 16057

Toshiro Mifune! Best. Actor. Ever.

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Midway - 8/10

 

I'm able to forgive some of the sub-par acting and cheesy airplane sequences. It seems fairly accurate.

If you like WWII movies, this one is worth watching. Lots of good actors in this one.

 

Starring Hal Holbrook, Henry Fonda, Charlton Hesten, Toshiro Mifune, Pat Morita (Mr. Miyagi!) and Robert Mitchum.

 

Oh yeah, it also has the Japanese CEO from Die Hard 1 in it. James Shigeta. I kept saying "Who is that guy?" and I finally realized who it was.

post #12094 of 16057

The last few minutes of TDKR will clear up any confusion as to whether or not he survived. When Mr. Fox was looking at how he could fix batwing to install auto-pilot software, the technicians found that the patch had been installed 6 months ago by Bruce Wayne.

 

 

He really did survive!!!

post #12095 of 16057
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The last few minutes of TDKR will clear up any confusion as to whether or not he survived. When Mr. Fox was looking at how he could fix batwing to install auto-pilot software, the technicians found that the patch had been installed 6 months ago by Bruce Wayne.

He really did survive!!!

I didn't have any confusion as to whether Bruce Wayne/Batman survived. I thought that it was clear that he survived. (I might have thought that the restaurant scene was a dream sequence, but the auto-pilot reference nailed it that he survived...) I read somewhere where Christian Bale said that TDKR was the last Batman film for him. If that is the case, where does the Batman franchise go from here? The last two films were so good I don't know if anyone could replace him for me...though we have been through quite a succession of actors playing Batman.


Edited by DLeeWebb - 12/24/12 at 9:44am
post #12096 of 16057

Not to mention you actually see him alive again. Sure, it might be a 'dream sequence.' But come on, guys. This is not Inception anymore.

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I didn't have any confusion as to whether Bruce Wayne/Batman survived. I thought that it was clear that he survived. (I might have thought that the restaurant scene was a dream sequence, but the auto-pilot reference nailed it that he survived...) I read somewhere where Christian Bale said that TDKR was the last Batman film for him. If that is the case, where does the Batman franchise go from here? The last two films were so good I don't know if anyone could replace him for me...though we have been through quite a succession of actors playing Batman.

 

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Not to mention you actually see him alive again. Sure, it might be a 'dream sequence.' But come on, guys. This is not Inception anymore.

 

 

I personally wasn't sure if it was old man Alfred's imagination. I guess I must have skipped the auto-pilot technicians scene in theaters. Now that I rewatched the blu-ray, it's concrete for me.

post #12098 of 16057
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I'm still struggling to see how people could think that Joker is a better villain than Bane.

Performance wise: Joker

Threat wise: Bane

A slight edge that easily tips either way for the viewer.
Bane's subversion involving Talia lessened him as an independent villain.
Joker's unpredictable insanity makes him an icon of dark humor.

I bet that the Joker would be .5 higher overall in a poll,if only for the fact there are plenty of frightened clown haters out there.

Warning: Spoiler! *Adults 18 Only* - a favorite Clown to hate - Captain Spalding (Click to show)
Edited by 5aces - 12/24/12 at 2:51pm
post #12099 of 16057

Watched American History X and Primal Fear yesterday, both 10/10

Edward Norton is awesome.

Probably gonna watch The Illusionist today or tomorrow.

post #12100 of 16057
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All three matrix movies are good movies. Absolutely insane somebody would rate the last move as low as 5,5 that actually liked the first one.

 

Being superman within the Matrix is one thing...turning into superman outside the matrix is another. I thought the whole idea of that was stupid, hence I'd give it even less than a 5. 

post #12101 of 16057
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Being superman within the Matrix is one thing...turning into superman outside the matrix is another. I thought the whole idea of that was stupid, hence I'd give it even less than a 5. 

 

B..bu..but he's the chosen one.

 

I guess you could justify it by saying that the machines run on the same code from the matrix. His superman skills are just a manipulation of that code. Maybe he does the hacks in real life via some sort of brain waves. 

 

*stops clutching at straws* :)

post #12102 of 16057
^ it's because the "real world" was just a simulation inside the Matrix to keep people that would escape the matrix believe they were no longer inside the Matrix. Neo never actually left the matrix, and neither have we....Duh....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2216189/Do-live-Matrix-researchers-say-way-prove-do.html
post #12103 of 16057

The only question I have left about the Matrix series is this...if the Oracle wasn't the mother of the matrix, who the heck was??

post #12104 of 16057
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Originally Posted by 5aces View Post


Performance wise: Joker
Threat wise: Bane
A slight edge that easily tips either way for the viewer.
Bane's subversion involving Talia lessened him as an independent villain.
Joker's unpredictable insanity makes him an icon of dark humor.
I bet that the Joker would be .5 higher overall in a poll,if only for the fact there are plenty of frightened clown haters out there.
Warning: Spoiler! *Adults 18 Only* - a favorite Clown to hate - Captain Spalding (Click to show)


"If you don't have a good reason for why you hate clowns by the time I get back, I'm gonna kill your mama, and you."

Love Captain.

post #12105 of 16057

Ham-fisted allusions to Christianity aside (I agree by the way), there is a major religion based upon the theme that the world we live in "is not the real one":

 

In Hinduism, this concept of the "Matrix" is called Maya. It is said that the world we live in is just an illusion.

 

Morpheus: "The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."

 

 

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The only question I have left about the Matrix series is this...if the Oracle wasn't the mother of the matrix, who the heck was??

 

She's just another component of the Matrix program that the Architect, who is an AI entity himself, created. The Architect represents the father/left-brain part of humanity's duality equation, while the Oracle represents the mother/right-brain component. In other words the Architect imposes rigidity and order, and the Oracle screws it up with chaos and poetry:

 

In the third Matrix movie, the Oracle hints at her true purpose, which is to bring imbalance, rather than balance, to the equations that form the Matrix. In that she is opposed to her counterpart, the Architect, who brings balance to the equations that form the Matrix.

The Architect's aim is to reboot the matrix, by reuniting the One with the Source, bring about the destruction of Zion, having Zion starts over so ensuring control over the humans for one more cycle. This he has done many times. To help him, he created the Oracle. The Oracle's aim however now is to aid The One and the humans following him by means of the Prophecy (predicting the victory of the One and the fall of the machines), not in order to bring down the Matrix, but rather so that they can voluntarily disconnect themselves from the system, ensuring its stability while preventing its destruction.

 

So it would appear that the Architect created the Oracle as another measure of control over the Matrix (and hence the humans), but because of the imbalance she introduced to the system he ultimately lost control of it. In its place, the Oracle and Neo have created a better version of the Matrix that ensures both the survival of Zion and the machines without having to resort to periodic genocide on the humans. I thought it was a fine solution, "based on choice", and hence the 8.5 rating for Revolutions, even though I agree that it wasn't up to snuff as a film compared to the first two. For me that rating reflected an appreciation for the attempted breadth of the series as a whole as much as it was about the film itself, as it tackles so many human dilemmas in one epic, highly entertaining story.

 

But I do see and agree with some of your points and will henceforth make my rating 8.0 for Matrix Revolutions.

 

Like it matters biggrin.gif


Edited by grokit - 12/24/12 at 9:47pm
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