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post #31 of 41
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Originally posted by radrd
That is most likely the recording, your ears, or your source. I find that my ears have a tendency to hear stuff on the left side more for some reason, especially with portable sources regardless of the headphones. With my Music Hall player and META42, things sound a lot closer to balanced (if not often perfect), but sometimes I still here more slightly on the left regardless of the headphone. Since i've tried so many headphones, sources, and types of music, I'm positive it's my ears. However, some recordings are more obviously skewed towards one side or another, especially with rock; much less so with classical IME.
I tend to hear more in the left as well, not much mind you but noticable by times. I've paid close attention to it and have a theory. I've often wondered if it's not a bit psychological on the part of the engineers. We read left to right and it seems to me that it would be natural to place instrumentation to the left first and balance on the right after. This could mean that music has a tendency to be a bit left channel heavy or psychologically we "look" to the left if that makes any sense.
post #32 of 41
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Originally posted by elnero
I tend to hear more in the left as well, not much mind you but noticable by times. I've paid close attention to it and have a theory. I've often wondered if it's not a bit psychological on the part of the engineers. We read left to right and it seems to me that it would be natural to place instrumentation to the left first and balance on the right after. This could mean that music has a tendency to be a bit left channel heavy or psychologically we "look" to the left if that makes any sense.
Find some head-fi types whose first language is Arabic, Chinese, Hebrew, Japanese, etc., and see if they have a tendency to hear the right channel a little stronger...
post #33 of 41
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Originally posted by elnero
I tend to hear more in the left as well, not much mind you but noticable by times. I've paid close attention to it and have a theory. I've often wondered if it's not a bit psychological on the part of the engineers. We read left to right and it seems to me that it would be natural to place instrumentation to the left first and balance on the right after. This could mean that music has a tendency to be a bit left channel heavy or psychologically we "look" to the left if that makes any sense.


Me too...

I put that down to having a problem with my right ear though, where I need to every now and then eat hay-fever tablets... to sort it out...

Strange... but, i'm glad i'm not alone

As to an amp for the W1000... if they're a typical AT 'phone... i'd say that the trusty little CHA47 is a good, and cheap match
post #34 of 41
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Originally posted by Duncan


Me too...

I put that down to having a problem with my right ear though, where I need to every now and then eat hay-fever tablets... to sort it out...

Strange... but, i'm glad i'm not alone

As to an amp for the W1000... if they're a typical AT 'phone... i'd say that the trusty little CHA47 is a good, and cheap match
Duncan,

What the heck is hay-fever tablets? I might need some myself (or you're just joking?)

Thanks
post #35 of 41
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Originally posted by Nadim
Hmmmm....$125? I thought I looked the other day and it was more like $325. At $125....I'll take two!

-Nadim
right you are. $125 was wishful thinking on my part. i got all hyper about that number, which was misquoted in a thread i searched for on head-fi. i checked the mapletree website, and they are selling the kit for $335, without shipping/handling. $125 would have been amazing...
post #36 of 41
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Originally posted by Nadim
Find some head-fi types whose first language is Arabic, Chinese, Hebrew, Japanese, etc., and see if they have a tendency to hear the right channel a little stronger...
Well what nationality is MoLtoSoLo?

It's just a theory. Kind of like a dominant hand if you get my meaning. A lot of times I'll think a recording is left channel heavy only to realize there is just as much going on in the right I just seem to be focused in on the left. Other times I've noticed some recordings are just plain left channel heavy, like about the first half of the Sarah McLachlan "Freedom Sessions" album. I can't say I've noticed many that are right channel heavy though.
post #37 of 41
I hear better in my left ear, possibly because I'm trained to use it more. I'm left handed, so when I pick up the phone I hold it on my left ear. Now when I try to use my right ear for the phone I have a lot of trouble.
post #38 of 41
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Originally posted by elnero
It's just a theory. Kind of like a dominant hand if you get my meaning. A lot of times I'll think a recording is left channel heavy only to realize there is just as much going on in the right I just seem to be focused in on the left. Other times I've noticed some recordings are just plain left channel heavy, like about the first half of the Sarah McLachlan "Freedom Sessions" album. I can't say I've noticed many that are right channel heavy though.
A quick search, and here are some interesting articles talking about the "dominant ear" and it's effect on some basic skills like processing speech and dyslexia....

http://www.tomatis.com/English/Articles/dyslexia.htm
http://www.advancedbrain.com/article9.html

I'm not sure I buy it, some of it seems more like marketing speak than real science, but I dunno....that's only the 2 minute impression.
post #39 of 41
Interesting read but not really what I meant.

As a very basic example, when mixing in the studio vocals are generally placed in the center of the soundstage. Other instruments are then placed around the main vocals. This is just general speculation on how I think I would go about this, but I would generally start placing instruments to the left and use another instrument in a similar freq range to balance it to the right. Now knowing myself I would probably place a more dominant instrument, like lead guitar, first so it would end up in the left channel and a less dominant instrument might be used, like rhythm guitar, to balance it in the right. Thus you have a recording that is slightly left dominant. I think this is true of a lot of recordings and is only accentuated by the psychological left to right "reading" of the listener. Again, this is just a basic analogy. I don't know if it's actually true and it's only speculation on my part.
post #40 of 41
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Originally posted by elnero
As a very basic example, when mixing in the studio vocals are generally placed in the center of the soundstage. Other instruments are then placed around the main vocals. This is just general speculation on how I think I would go about this, but I would generally start placing instruments to the left and use another instrument in a similar freq range to balance it to the right. Now knowing myself I would probably place a more dominant instrument, like lead guitar, first so it would end up in the left channel and a less dominant instrument might be used, like rhythm guitar, to balance it in the right. Thus you have a recording that is slightly left dominant. I think this is true of a lot of recordings and is only accentuated by the psychological left to right "reading" of the listener. Again, this is just a basic analogy. I don't know if it's actually true and it's only speculation on my part.
Interesting speculation. Actually, now that you mention it, I really don't know a whole lot about the studio recording process...I'm sure there are plenty on this board who do, and who might have some insight into typical ways of doing balance for instruments.


Back to the original question in this thread....which has new interest for me, as I've just ordered a pair of W1000s My front-runner right now is getting one of the Gilmore V2 kits, but I've always had a hankering to try out some tube stuff. Okay, maybe the specs don't look as good on paper, but they, like, glow and stuff. Very geek chic.

The problem seems to be that a lot of tube amps don't do their best with low impedance phones. The ubiquitious MG Head, for example....despite the specs saying that the selectable output impedance allows it to work well with all headphones, the imminent introduction of the OTL32 indicates that this really isn't the case.

I see reco's for the microZOTL and other, more expensive tube amps. Are there any tube amps in a cheaper range ($300-$400) that might mate well with the W1000s?

-Nadim
post #41 of 41
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Originally posted by Nadim
Interesting speculation. Actually, now that you mention it, I really don't know a whole lot about the studio recording process...I'm sure there are plenty on this board who do, and who might have some insight into typical ways of doing balance for instruments.


Back to the original question in this thread....which has new interest for me, as I've just ordered a pair of W1000s My front-runner right now is getting one of the Gilmore V2 kits, but I've always had a hankering to try out some tube stuff. Okay, maybe the specs don't look as good on paper, but they, like, glow and stuff. Very geek chic.

The problem seems to be that a lot of tube amps don't do their best with low impedance phones. The ubiquitious MG Head, for example....despite the specs saying that the selectable output impedance allows it to work well with all headphones, the imminent introduction of the OTL32 indicates that this really isn't the case.

I see reco's for the microZOTL and other, more expensive tube amps. Are there any tube amps in a cheaper range ($300-$400) that might mate well with the W1000s?

-Nadim
I did take audio engineering, I just ended up working for a speaker manufacturer instead of a studio. Now I'm a 3D animator, go figure.

I've heard the Earmax Pro (EMP) is a particularily good combo with the W100's I would assume the same may apply with the W1000's. It may be a bit above that price range. There is also the MAD Ear+ hybrid which is supposed to work well with low impedance cans. Wasifazim had the combo you might want to try him to see how he liked it.
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