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post #1 of 48
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There is a fact on headfi, that I just don't understand. We all rave about sound quality, but the majority of people still uses iPods. I can't understand why. We spend a lot of time here talking about the best players, by Kenwood, Samsung, JVC, Trekstor and so on, and prolly more than 80% in the other subforums have an iPod. Why this contradiction? Do people love it's fashionable design? Do people love iTunes (really?? ).
I can't understand. A lot of people have it iModded, thus spending a lot more money than with any other portables, to have better sound quality. Then, I ask myself: why not going for an already good sounding portable dap?
Is it because only iPods allow to use an external amp? Are we certain that portable amps will best the sound quality of a Kenwood or JVC, apart from the increased power? But, even this way, does the majority of people use an external amp, or the iPod alone?
It may be added also that almost all players behave like lineout at a fixed volume (the so called "0dB gain")... even if this volume has to be found.
post #2 of 48
iPods can sound decent with IEMs from my experience. Other DAPs are maybe too obscure. It's also future proof for iModding when the funds come, even rockboxable.

I'm sure alot of people like the Creative/Apple GUI, but I for one hate it.

I think the E500s/Super.fi's + iPod is a very popular combination.
post #3 of 48
I think being able to have a line-out, and lossless is the big draw.
post #4 of 48
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Originally Posted by Assorted View Post
iPods can sound decent with IEMs from my experience. Other DAPs are maybe too obscure. It's also future proof for iModding when the funds come, even rockboxable.

I'm sure alot of people like the Creative/Apple GUI, but I for one hate it.

I think the E500s/Super.fi's + iPod is a very popular combination.
I have read too many posts saying that iPods sound bad. Even if "decent", it still isn't called a great sounding unit, compared to other portables.

I realize, though, that many people take lossless in good consideration, as well as the lineout (this is the single feature that makes me interested in an iPod, in fact).
post #5 of 48
yeah but saying bad ususally means you cannot turn on super jet super bass treble 3d sound. that is why cowon is top, it has best 'fun' factor that has nothing to do with the original sound of the song or of audiophile.
post #6 of 48
Thread Starter 
No. Saying bad usually means that an unequalized player sounds worse than another. This is what I always read here, as well. There are only few people (if any) who rave about superjet bass/treble 3d effects. This is my experience, at least.
post #7 of 48
I think the answer is simply that ipod owners on this site (and I do not claim to know the %) think they sound very good. The line is so extensive at this point that there are def. ones that sound better than others but I jump around between a cowon, ipod classic, touch, and imod and I think they all sound very good- of course some better and with advantages. For instance my ipod touch sounds very good with etys, syncs very easily and I can listen to lossless.

I think what you are trying to justify is the negative comments that come from people that do not use or like ipods.
post #8 of 48
Thread Starter 
I'm not trying to justify anything. Though, I've read too many of these comments to believe they are false.
If now it turns out that iPods sound as good the best players over there, it's gives at advantage for everyone. But this is a subject that needs to be discussed. I've never owned an iPod, but at the beginning of my path I upgraded from a Rio Karma to a Kenwood HD20GA7. The improvement in sound (soundstage, detail, tonal balance) was so great that it started all my journey on Headfi.
post #9 of 48
iPods sound great. The implementation of the iPod in the Mac OS is unmatched. iTunes is the best music organizing software available. What more could I want?

See ya
Steve
post #10 of 48
I think the vast majority of the posts about the ipod's supposed poor sound quality is mostly just bashing because the ipod is so dominant in the market place.

They listen to mp3's they got from "questionable" sources over either the stock earbuds or the $50 ones they purchase that have 'the best sound eva OMG"

In reality and being the owner of WAAY too many players of all brands (sony, apple, samsung, creative, cowon) i 'd be hard pressed to say any of them are clearly superior in sound quality.

In reality i think a good set of phones can make a much more dramatic difference. It 's not to say that there not differences in SQ. My Sony nw816 is my favorite at the moment and to me has good bass as one of it's attributes when used with my shure e4's.

That being said i am an ipod fan for a variety of reason including the sound quality (which is quite good in a neutral way to my ears), but also the interface and all the 3rd party acessories and so on.

There are some here that are discerning true audiophiles and can give detailed reasons why they prefer one over the other. They are not the 15 year olds that post "ipods sux @**" however.

But hey to each his own. Me, when I want the best sound i use my home system and skip the portables all together.

It's tough to take an amp, preamp, cd player and two tower speakers on an airplane and get any decent soundstage
post #11 of 48
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Originally Posted by antonyfirst View Post
I'm not trying to justify anything. Though, I've read too many of these comments to believe they are false.
If now it turns out that iPods sound as good the best players over there, it's gives at advantage for everyone. But this is a subject that needs to be discussed. I've never owned an iPod, but at the beginning of my path I upgraded from a Rio Karma to a Kenwood HD20GA7. The improvement in sound (soundstage, detail, tonal balance) was so great that it started all my journey on Headfi.

By all means discuss... But you are asking why people with ipods say the sound is not good. That is not the case. All that will be discussed is yet another thread where people who use ipods will say why they like them and people that don't will say why they don't. Unless I am losing something in the translation, it sounds like you are asking why people who use ipods complain about the sound. I am just saying we don't.
post #12 of 48
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Originally Posted by sno1man View Post
I think the vast majority of the posts about the ipod's supposed poor sound quality is mostly just bashing because the ipod is so dominant in the market place.

They listen to mp3's they got from "questionable" sources over either the stock earbuds or the $50 ones they purchase that have 'the best sound eva OMG"
I never download any music, and I still found iPod 5.5g very inferior to my COWON D2. I agree with the OP in that iPods don't sound that good at all.
post #13 of 48
Thread Starter 
Re: All that will be discussed is yet another thread where people who use ipods will say why they like them and people that don't will say why they don't.

I think valuable information will come from people who heard them both, not from people who use ipods and people who don't.
I've read more than one person (iPod user) to complain about iPods.
I hope you aren't losing anything in the translation, this time.
post #14 of 48
I do think the headphone out of iPod (5.5G anyway) sucks. Amped through its line-out however, it sounds so much better and is an altogether different sonic league (and portability class -I jest- ).
post #15 of 48
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Originally Posted by Assorted View Post
iPods can sound decent with IEMs from my experience. Other DAPs are maybe too obscure. It's also future proof for iModding when the funds come, even rockboxable.

I'm sure alot of people like the Creative/Apple GUI, but I for one hate it.

I think the E500s/Super.fi's + iPod is a very popular combination.

- Ok, one of OP's questions, why go for iMod with its very high cost, when there are good sounding players out that cost equivalent to an iPod? You reply by saying 'iPods can sound decent and provide option of upgrading to iMod'...

My experience with iMods did not demonstrate any superiority to the Kenwood HD series and Trekstor Vibez, former is expensive but still cheaper than iMods (although former suffers from small HD size, I'll give people that).

Quote:
Originally Posted by luckypictures
I think being able to have a line-out, and lossless is the big draw.
Sure, lossless is important feature of iPods only. Most iAudio players support FLAC, all recent ones in particular. Kenwood HD series sports its own lossless. Trekstor Vibez supports FLAC. Bunch of other players are rockboxable, which provides support for FLAC.
Oh...and come again? Show me a single person with an iPod who can use an iPod to tell a difference between 320 kbps mp3 and lossless. (Checking the file type does not count).

Checkmate.
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