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post #196 of 581
Hey now....Cables are components. Period. Unfortunately a lot of it lay in the elusive lightning in a bottle concept of synergy. I just placed a pricey power cord on my first headphone amp ([AK]zip modded maxxed ppa 1.1.b or something....ok s i am a neophyte) and wowee zowee. I use Gabriel Gold throughout my system and, after trying dozens of I,S, and P/cables, I will never change. That being said, never under estimate the influence of the conduit of your tunes....even digital cables are an electrical representation of the information. no such thing as 0's and 1's.....
post #197 of 581
Oh yeah. Get over it! And enjoy the tunes!
post #198 of 581
Oh yeah. Get over it! And enjoy the tunes!
post #199 of 581
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Oh yeah. Get over it! And enjoy the tunes!
Could you please use the quote feature? Otherwise, it looks like you are replying to yourself, and this post doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
post #200 of 581
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Originally Posted by earwicker7 View Post
Um, no, that's not true at all. I recently had custom sleeves made for my Shure IEMs and, since I was already there, asked the audiologist about this. She said that the idea that everyone's ears are the same is nonsense. She said that something as simple as the shape of the ear can have a major effect on the sound that people can hear. Some people are born able to hear a larger frequency range than others. Also, there are other psychological factors that effect the way people hear; a person who is by nature stressed tends to clench the jaw, which closes the eustachian tube and drastically lowers the amount of sound that comes to your eardrum.

Use science, not internet myths, please.
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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu View Post
There is no such thing as a person with golden ears. Unless there is something wrong with our hearing (due to damage, genetics, etc.) we all pretty much hear the same, and any differences are so minute, they just don't matter.
I addressed that. If your ear is shaped normally, you are not going to hear better than someone else with a normally shaped ear.
post #201 of 581
thread lock coming
post #202 of 581
Sovkiller, these cables aren't a faith, they are fraud. For the most part, the maker claims they sound better. If they don't, I'm pretty sure that is fraud under US law. Correct me if I'm wrong...
post #203 of 581
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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu View Post
Sovkiller, these cables aren't a faith, they are fraud. For the most part, the maker claims they sound better. If they don't, I'm pretty sure that is fraud under US law. Correct me if I'm wrong...
You didn't ask me but let me answer anyway. No that's not fraud, which requires intent to profit from knowing deceit. If they believe as many do that some cables can be better than others and that theirs are among them then there's no knowing falsehood. One the other hand, what you have just said is libelous. Saying "they are a fraud" without any proof or even clear evidence of this in a deliberate attempt to harm their business, which is clearly your intent, is a crime.

Now I don't really care about that, but what I care about and what I wish were a illegal is your interference in reasonable discourse with repeated unfounded assertions based on nothing but intense 'faith' and in complete disregard of what others say. For instance, earwicker7 quoted an audiologist about the effect of ubiquitous variations in the shape of the outer ear, i.e., the range of normality, and how that makes what each person hears a bit different. You either don't read carefully or deliberately distort this into something about abnormalities of the ear and then refute that strawman. I point out that while everyone hears similarly in the most basic physical sense of performance of the inner ear but how that is a different meaning of "hearing" and issue than what they can hear in the way of more subtle analysis at higher yet still auditory levels of differences in what comes in that way. You just ignore this or can't understand what I said and just repeat the dogma you said before that fails to distinguish these two meanings.

Please at least think about what others actually say or please go away.
post #204 of 581
^ try the ignore feature ... really.

some people have thoroughly proved that their posts are not worth reading. he is one of them.
post #205 of 581
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Originally Posted by Riboge View Post
You didn't ask me but let me answer anyway. No that's not fraud, which requires intent to profit from knowing deceit. If they believe as many do that some cables can be better than others and that theirs are among them then there's no knowing falsehood. One the other hand, what you have just said is libelous. Saying "they are a fraud" without any proof or even clear evidence of this in a deliberate attempt to harm their business, which is clearly your intent, is a crime.

Now I don't really care about that, but what I care about and what I wish were a illegal is your interference in reasonable discourse with repeated unfounded assertions based on nothing but intense 'faith' and in complete disregard of what others say. For instance, earwicker7 quoted an audiologist about the effect of ubiquitous variations in the shape of the outer ear, i.e., the range of normality, and how that makes what each person hears a bit different. You either don't read carefully or deliberately distort this into something about abnormalities of the ear and then refute that strawman. I point out that while everyone hears similarly in the most basic physical sense of performance of the inner ear but how that is a different meaning of "hearing" and issue than what they can hear in the way of more subtle analysis at higher yet still auditory levels of differences in what comes in that way. You just ignore this or can't understand what I said and just repeat the dogma you said before that fails to distinguish these two meanings.

Please at least think about what others actually say or please go away.
It isn't fraud if a cable maker claims their cables are better (whether they believe it or not), when they actually aren't?

So anyone who commits fraud can just say they believe in it and get away with it?

Those people that sold gas additives that were supposed to increase MPG but didn't, can say they believed in it, and get off without a hitch?

I doubt that...

And also, I can say that I asked Bill Gates about differences concerning the outer ear affecting our hearing ability, and he could say the same thing that earwicker's audiologist supposedly said.

Second hand information is not reputable. Does he have a link to a report, news article, section of medical book, etc. that supports his claim? How do we know his audiologist actually said that, or he's just making it up? What if he's just twisting his or her words?

Simply put, "my friend's uncles' aunt's sister's niece's friend's teacher's brother's audiologist said that if you clean out your ears every day, your music will sound better," is just as reputable as "my audiologist said that the outer ear can change the way people hear in noticeable ways," ie. they aren't reputable at all.

So, prove that our outer ear makes as big a difference in what we hear as much as he says it does. I tend to doubt it makes that much of a difference. And even then, you're not going to hear more than anyone else with normal ears if your ear is normal.

The thing with audiophiles is that we listen to the music more closely, and that is not matters. It's not that we somehow have better hearing than normal people, people who call themselves golden ears are just trying to feel superior to those around them, like someone driving a Ferrari for the status, or someone with a trophy spouse.

We listen and care about the music more than the average person, that is what differentiates us. We aren't better than the average person.
post #206 of 581
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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu View Post
Sovkiller, these cables aren't a faith, they are fraud. For the most part, the maker claims they sound better. If they don't, I'm pretty sure that is fraud under US law. Correct me if I'm wrong...

As mentioned above, you're pushing into libel territory here.
post #207 of 581
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^ try the ignore feature ... really.

some people have thoroughly proved that their posts are not worth reading. he is one of them.
petty and puerile. shame on you. personal attacks? especially on a thread of tired retread arguments. maybe you're having a bad night, no worries.

i'm sure i don't have enough posts on this site to have thoroughly proved my words, experience and observations to be not worth noting. but i suppose, with time, that could come to pass.

maybe sleep on it, come back with something more encouraging and enlightening from your venerable perch.... 'perchance to dream-ay, there's the rub.'
post #208 of 581
I don't think you can yell fraud on a subjective item. That's like saying "my hamburger tastes better". Sure, companies say that in commercials, but if you ever look at the little asterisk, it usually says in some taste test, x amount of people preferred it over the other brand.

It's not necessarily TRUTH, but it's subjective...it's not "fraud". Granted I haven't read the whole thread...he's stupid if he didn't make some sort of "listening test" before making that statement...
post #209 of 581
nothing personal. and not an attack. but some people have shown that they have nothing constructive to add to the conversation except misinformation, wild speculation, or worse. so it is easier to bypass these posts than read them.
post #210 of 581
ok, and again, no worries.

i think we all know that there are differences between cables. and, of course, those differences are on some level born of personal preference. but, some cables are just better at articulation, detail, extension, etc. michael fremer must have a great ear. outer pinna, inner pinna, tragus, canal, stapes, hammer, whatever.

i am new here and was ready to hang up cans completely, but put a stealth m-5000 on the maxxed ppa i bought here and loved it. i will be delving much more deeply into this arm of this hobby. i once again found that using the other audiophile run shootout recommended cables (black sand violet) was problematic at best.

no need to bang our heads on any others' opinions beyond listening closely and finding fellow enthusiasts with similar ears. good luck. later.
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