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I’m excited to tell everyone about my final EQ settings for the Shure E500/SE530. Everyone seems to talk about the Shures’ Rolled off highs. Even some complain about the slight boominess of the upper bass. After a week of working on EQ adjustments using Rockbox firmware and my iMod, I think I’ve finally annihilated any of the problems that plagued the Shure E500. What I never knew about the Shures was how well they respond to EQ. I didn’t seem to take up any of the headroom in doing this procedure. Each additional EQ adjustment was done carefully after many hours of listening in different increments.
I’m going to explain the instructions hoping that Rockbox is a familiar firmware to you, if not please feel free to email me and I will help you.

Step 1: Go to Hardware Equalizer and click on High Shelf Filter. Make the cutoff Frequency 9Khz. Then raise the Gain by 6 DB.

Step 2: Also in the menu Hardware Equalizer…..click on Low Shelf Filter. Make the cutoff Frequency 105HZ. Then RAISE (yes RAISE) the gain by 3db. This may surprise you as the Shures are already Bassy. But don’t worry……….the problems that plague the bass are well above 105 HZ………….which is what we will do in my next step. PS DON’T FORGET TO ENABLE HARDWARE EQUALIZER otherwise none of this takes effect.

Step 3: also known as getting rid of the boom……Go to Equalizer. Click on Graphical EQ. Make the first Peak Filter (PK) -3db / 300 Hz / 0.9 Q

Step 4: stay in the Equalizer………Make the High Shelve +12.5 / 12000 HZ / 0.5Q

Again make sure you enable this EQ setting.

Step 5: To get full affect of the soundstage of the Shures, change the stereo width to 200%
If for some reason the sound is a little bright for you simply……lower the gain on the High Shelve till it feels right. For classical music I found that 12.5 was perfect whereas for rock, I brought it down to 6 or 7.

The whole experiment was done with a Corda Move. Please let me know what you think. I have a pair of UE10s and I think this EQ Setting along with the stereo width just about Equals it!
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post #2 of 34
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post
I’m excited to tell everyone about my final EQ settings for the Shure E500/SE530. Everyone seems to talk about the Shures’ Rolled off highs. Even some complain about the slight boominess of the upper bass. After a week of working on EQ adjustments using Rockbox firmware and my iMod, I think I’ve finally annihilated any of the problems that plagued the Shure E500. What I never knew about the Shures was how well they respond to EQ. I didn’t seem to take up any of the headroom in doing this procedure. Each additional EQ adjustment was done carefully after many hours of listening in different increments.
I’m going to explain the instructions hoping that Rockbox is a familiar firmware to you, if not please feel free to email me and I will help you.

Step 1: Go to Hardware Equalizer and click on High Shelf Filter. Make the cutoff Frequency 9Khz. Then raise the Gain by 6 DB.

Step 2: Also in the menu Hardware Equalizer…..click on Low Shelf Filter. Make the cutoff Frequency 105HZ. Then RAISE (yes RAISE) the gain by 3db. This may surprise you as the Shures are already Bassy. But don’t worry……….the problems that plague the bass are well above 105 HZ………….which is what we will do in my next step. PS DON’T FORGET TO ENABLE HARDWARE EQUALIZER otherwise none of this takes effect.

Step 3: also known as getting rid of the boom……Go to Equalizer. Click on Graphical EQ. Make the first Peak Filter (PK) -3db / 300 Hz / 0.9 Q

Step 4: stay in the Equalizer………Make the High Shelve +12.5 / 12000 HZ / 0.5Q

Again make sure you enable this EQ setting.

Step 5: To get full affect of the soundstage of the Shures, change the stereo width to 200%
If for some reason the sound is a little bright for you simply……lower the gain on the High Shelve till it feels right. For classical music I found that 12.5 was perfect whereas for rock, I brought it down to 6 or 7.

The whole experiment was done with a Corda Move. Please let me know what you think. I have a pair of UE10s and I think this EQ Setting along with the stereo width just about Equals it!
nice one dave im gonna hop on rockbox now an toggle your settings in, ill post back in 10 mins to let you know my first impressions
post #3 of 34
ok did it, and yes! at first the highs were mildly shocking so i toned them down to +9db but the e500 do respond well to EQ im impressed that the highs can be improved that much.

this just shows its not a fault of the e500 but simply something that needs tweeking

EDIT: i also only increased stereo width to 150% as i didnt want to push the e500 too much and spoil the naturalness
post #4 of 34
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Originally Posted by jinx20001 View Post
ok did it, and yes! at first the highs were mildly shocking so i toned them down to +9db but the e500 do respond well to EQ im impressed that the highs can be improved that much.

this just shows its not a fault of the e500 but simply something that needs tweeking

EDIT: i also only increased stereo width to 150% as i didnt want to push the e500 too much and spoil the naturalness
did you do the Hardware EQ too?
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post #5 of 34
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did you do the Hardware EQ too?
yep,also at first impression the bass seems tighter and about on the same impact level as stock...impressive! i will do further listening to more bass heavy tracks to further evaluate wether any quality is lost in the EQ process.

thanks again for the info
post #6 of 34
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If you're listening to hip hop and stuff like that I would imagine 6 DB Gain on the 12000 Hz would be enough.....thats my assumption. And any song with an annoying tape hiss as well.
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post #7 of 34
cool i do listen to alot of hip hop, but a good amount of rock aswell so its nice to have that added bit of sparkle for that.
post #8 of 34
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Originally Posted by jinx20001 View Post
ok did it, and yes! at first the highs were mildly shocking so i toned them down to +9db but the e500 do respond well to EQ im impressed that the highs can be improved that much.

this just shows its not a fault of the e500 but simply something that needs tweeking

EDIT: i also only increased stereo width to 150% as i didnt want to push the e500 too much and spoil the naturalness
150 Works too!
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post #9 of 34
from my impressions and some graphs it seems like the ~5k range could be boosted as well

i don't have rockbox but shelving means a high pass filter right? so 9k and above is boosted 6db and 12k an above is boosted 6+12.5 db?is this correct?
post #10 of 34
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Originally Posted by DoomzDayz View Post
from my impressions and some graphs it seems like the ~5k range could be boosted as well

i don't have rockbox but shelving means a high pass filter right? so 9k and above is boosted 6db and 12k an above is boosted 6+12.5 db?is this correct?
correct

I looked at the Headroom graph as well and I raised the 5Khz range but it made it sound tinny. So I stuck without it. You should have seen maybe over 50 variables I tried out before arriving at this final EQ adjustment.......the Stereo Width is really important to bringing out the EQ as well.
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post #11 of 34
i havent owned e500/e530's, and i admire your research into the intricacies of EQ'ing them, but should a quality pair of heaphones/rig need equalizing to this degree?

i guess its simply a matter of preference, but to be so reliant on a specific firmware/eq setting sounds a bit of a pain to get the desired sound.

i never equalize, always completely neutral, but this thread got me thinking, how many people do rely on EQ for their custom sound?
post #12 of 34
i for one think the e500 dont need EQing, they are certainly a love it or hate it set of earphones when it comes to sound...but i think what dave has done is show to those that hate it that they can be EQ'd with good results that can match earphones such as ue10 pro.

now if its going through EQ or buying even more expensive earphones id take EQ if the desired sound can be got
post #13 of 34
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Originally Posted by Quaddy View Post
i havent owned e500/e530's, and i admire your research into the intricacies of EQ'ing them, but should a quality pair of heaphones/rig need equalizing to this degree?

i guess its simply a matter of preference, but to be so reliant on a specific firmware/eq setting sounds a bit of a pain to get the desired sound.

i never equalize, always completely neutral, but this thread got me thinking, how many people do rely on EQ for their custom sound?
Absolutely............no headphone should cost so much and still need to be EQed tremendously to achieve optimum sound.

THAT BEING SAID......I think the Shures have a gift for being able to be EQed so well. The EQ settings I suggested is just my preference. Some people may still prefer the default sound of the natural E500s......However, the sound is really improved for me, almost to the point of being a brand new monitor. If a headphone can be so greatly improved by EQ then I feel it is a strength of the headphone and not a weakness. The reason I feel this way is I dont think all headphones can take to EQ so well. The Shures are Rolled off in the highs but at the same time are perfectly capable of reproducing sparkling highs. Its that simple, and its amazing for me.
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post #14 of 34
While I appreciate some EQ'in is going to enhance the top end of the shures the fact remains some frequencies simple are not there, no matter what you tweak, this prevents the top end from ever being that great, imo.

But then, as always said, sound is obviously very subjective, your idea of "sparkling highs" is obviously very different to mine.

EDIT: That sounded a bit harsh, and I should add that I use e500's in work and enjoy them for what they are.
post #15 of 34
interesting change in sound, do you have any suggestions for plain eq settings without stereo width for those witout a rockbox'd player?

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Originally Posted by Bigsy View Post
While I appreciate some EQ'in is going to enhance the top end of the shures the fact remains some frequencies simple are not there, no matter what you tweak, this prevents the top end from ever being that great, imo.

But then, as always said, sound is obviously very subjective, your idea of "sparkling highs" is obviously very different to mine.

EDIT: That sounded a bit harsh, and I should add that I use e500's in work and enjoy them for what they are.
did you use +6 for 12k for non-classical?
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