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post #31 of 44
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
That's really amazing... given... that their drivers/elements are identical. See:

Retail 2002

Perhaps that's the effect of the plastic grills vs the metal grills of the HD600s - which is why I got the HD600 grills. My modified HD580s sound identical to my former HD600s.

Yeah, the whole sharing of the same driver realization sealed the deal for me. I bought HD600's grill, did the mod, and that's that. I did add an HD650 headband for durability. But the way the drivers are held by the headband, the better material can't make a difference sonically. There's no way any tiny, inaudible vibrations transmitted by the headband would find their way past that wooly ear muff and affect the sound being pumped directly at your ear by the drivers.
post #32 of 44
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Originally Posted by penguindude View Post



If you look at the graph, you will see that HD595's frequency actually fits more with the HD600 than the 580.
The HD580 frequency (Green) has an obvious hump/spike at 120-200Hz range (mid-bass) and another obvious one after the 2000hz point (treble).
All 3 are similar, but the difference between the 580 and the 600 is much more visible to the human ears.

Obvious spike @ 2000hz? That cant be more than a decible difference. That is not even close to a spike. Have you seen the 12db spike in the old DT880's or the 17db spike of the GS1000 .... now those are spikes?

I own the 580, 595 and 600. The 580 and 600 are very similar. The 595 does not sounda at all like the 580/600, despite the frequency graph. Put 600 screens on the 580 and I can barely tell them apart. The 600 is not quite as airy and has slightly more bass than the 580 .... but the difference is slight. The 650 is very easy to distinguish because of the excess bass and dark, recessed treble.

The measurement of the 595 vs 600 is a good example of how measurements tell you nothing about how the headphones sound.
post #33 of 44
Please don't kill me, but what about a decent EQ ?
post #34 of 44

The D5000s

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Originally Posted by anadin View Post
As the title suggest I am looking for a headphone with the sound signature of the HD600 combined with the HD650's bass thump.

Does such a headphone exist
After matching them with the right set up, and allowing them 350+ hrs of burn in... the D5000s sound a lot like the "new" HD580/600s with HD650 bass.
post #35 of 44
do the d5000s have the refinement of a world class open can like the 650s though? Im speaking in terms of grain and seamlessness in response
post #36 of 44
I've always felt my re-cabled D2000 were like a closed version of my HD600, but with more bass.
post #37 of 44
What exactly do you like about the HD600 that you want in the HD650? Saying "HD600 signature" doesn't really say much at all since it's a very neutral headphone that takes on the characteristics of the system behind it... and it's also a headphone that can downright suck if driven wrong.

As you put more and more power behind the HD650, it gets better and better. It scales better than the HD600 and is a better headphone in a high-end system, even though the HD600 is better in a lower-end system.

I have a feeling that a balanced HD650 rig is what you're after, but it won't come cheap.
post #38 of 44
In my system, I like the HD600 way better than the 650. I've owned three pairs of 650s, powered by various amps and I never really got on with them. They sound really dark and slow, and a tad muffled to my ears.

The HD600 on the other hand, sound really quite fast, detailed and almost a bit bright. I like them a LOT more. They are simply more entertaining.
post #39 of 44
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Originally Posted by pbirkett View Post
In my system, I like the HD600 way better than the 650. I've owned three pairs of 650s, powered by various amps and I never really got on with them. They sound really dark and slow, and a tad muffled to my ears.

The HD600 on the other hand, sound really quite fast, detailed and almost a bit bright. I like them a LOT more. They are simply more entertaining.
Ditto. I sold the HD650 and kept the HD600 too.
post #40 of 44
besides the highs, is there anything that the 600 can do better than the hd650?
post #41 of 44
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Originally Posted by donunus View Post
besides the highs, is there anything that the 600 can do better than the hd650?
Personally I like the bass better on the 600 as well. Not as thick or heavy, but seemingly more "agile" and drier, as though it starts and stops with a lot less overhang / decay, making them better for pace rythym and timing, and they seem to plumb just as deep, and have more "punch".

To be fair, I reckon the HD650 would probably do better than the 600 on very high end systems, but a lot of us dont have very high end systems and for that, the 600 is a far better choice to my ears. Having said that, the 600 I believe still needs quite a good system too, in order to not sound boring as well. However give it even a half decent, lively front end and it really sounds very good, much better than I would have ever credited a "boring" Sennheiser to do.

As always, all IMO and YMMV
post #42 of 44
get a Sennheiser Momentum
post #43 of 44

Whoa...necro thread.

post #44 of 44
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Originally Posted by greggf View Post

Actually, IMO, the HD600 is superior (especially in delivering musical messages).

I understand what the OP is asking. The answer, we hope, will be the HD700/HD800.


No HD700 is actually very different headphone, compared HD600 it is much more bright, however bass is nearly same quantity as HD600 have. Bigger soundstage and very different in presentation
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