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post #16 of 44
I heard a set of Woodied HD600s. It had an interesting sound signature. I am not sure if that would give you all you need BUT it is an good sound.
I WAS hoping for word of an HD700/800 out of CES. I see no reason to upgrade my HD600s to HD650s. It maybe be better but the cost difference to me was not worth it. The Clau Blue cable I purchased helped a little but I am not sure one of the much pricier cables will make the difference you are looking for either. I DO hear many good things about the Zu mobius. Good Luck!
post #17 of 44
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Originally Posted by maarek99 View Post
If the hd600 is somewhat like the hd580 (which it should be) then there is a definite difference between the 600 and 650. The 580 I have is NOTICEABLY brighter than my 650. It has a distinct treble spike which the 650 lacks.

Unfortunately, that is not the case. The Hd600 and 580 sounds completely different. The HD580 has a spike in the treble and another spike at the bottom end, making all music sound bassy and lacking in mid-range. The HD600 is much more neutral, providing a full spectrum without any exaggeration in any part of the scale.

EDIT: If anything, I'd say the HD600 is a superior version of HD595.
post #18 of 44
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Originally Posted by penguindude View Post
Unfortunately, that is not the case. The Hd600 and 580 sounds completely different. The HD580 has a spike in the treble and another spike at the bottom end, making all music sound bassy and lacking in mid-range. The HD600 is much more neutral, providing a full spectrum without any exaggeration in any part of the scale.

EDIT: If anything, I'd say the HD600 is a superior version of HD595.
Have you checked out the frequency response graphs for the HD580 and HD600 at HeadRoom?

There certainly isn't any spike in the HD580's response versus the HD600 at any point......they only vary by a couple of dB or so until you get below 40 Hz, and then the HD600 has the greater bass response.
post #19 of 44
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Originally Posted by penguindude View Post
Unfortunately, that is not the case. The Hd600 and 580 sounds completely different. The HD580 has a spike in the treble and another spike at the bottom end, making all music sound bassy and lacking in mid-range. The HD600 is much more neutral, providing a full spectrum without any exaggeration in any part of the scale.

EDIT: If anything, I'd say the HD600 is a superior version of HD595.
That's really amazing... given... that their drivers/elements are identical. See:

Retail 2002

Perhaps that's the effect of the plastic grills vs the metal grills of the HD600s - which is why I got the HD600 grills. My modified HD580s sound identical to my former HD600s.
post #20 of 44



If you look at the graph, you will see that HD595's frequency actually fits more with the HD600 than the 580.
The HD580 frequency (Green) has an obvious hump/spike at 120-200Hz range (mid-bass) and another obvious one after the 2000hz point (treble).
All 3 are similar, but the difference between the 580 and the 600 is much more visible to the human ears.
post #21 of 44
Now that chart is interesting (to me!) as the 595 appeared to have more bass than the 600 when I heard them.

Presumably that's as a result of them not being amped?


OT: how much better (in your opinion) are the 600 than 595? Consider (approx) HD595 $170, HD600 $280.

Is the difference down to the 600 excelling when well amped but the 595 not improving much? I'm trying to decide what to do with my amp and I may be better off selling it and getting the 595. But I'd hate to do that if the combination with a 600 was so much better.
post #22 of 44
I've had all of them 580/595/600 and just one is still in my cans collection the 600 (I have also the 650). The 580 is the more neutral of the bunch, it has a a little bit more bright highs and bass is kind of lighter then 600, the 595 is not at the same level of 580/600, muddy bass and brighter highs then 580, but it's very good with movies..The 600 IMHO is the best, more bass then 580 but not boomy like the 650, very good with voices and highs not on the bright side..IMHO
post #23 of 44
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Originally Posted by anadin View Post
As the title suggest I am looking for a headphone with the sound signature of the HD600 combined with the HD650's bass thump. Does such a headphone exist
Maybe it's time to experiment with aftermarket cables.
post #24 of 44

Plastic Screens Make A Difference...

The HD580s plastic screens must make the difference in the curves between the HD600s and HD580s - because the drivers/elements are identical... the same (within the range of tollerances). And... the HD580s, with the HD600s screens, sound identical (all other things equal).

Either that... or... the differences are simply "aberations" in the HeadRoom setup, or graphs, or... perhaps... there's that much inconsistency in the drivers/elements themselves (I doubt "better matching" between R & L driver/elements would make the difference - though it may make the sound smoother).
post #25 of 44
I had nearly one year long the HD580, and HD600 and HD650 — and still have the HD650…

I'm really surprised to read the HD600 and HD580 should be different since the only difference is the pairing of the speakers… But such are life, nature and their mysteries I presume…

There is IMO a great différence between the HD600 and the HD650 since the first one sounds a bit more brighter and needs a bigger amp than the HD650. I found the 650 better (with a good amp) than the other one. Of course, "darkest" than a Beyer or than an AKG: but that's another story.

To find something with the advantages of the 2…… Well: maybe an AKG K340 (basslight version)? But I'm not sure everybody would prefer it (I wouldn't).

post #26 of 44
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Originally Posted by anoobis View Post
Now that chart is interesting (to me!) as the 595 appeared to have more bass than the 600 when I heard them.

Presumably that's as a result of them not being amped?


OT: how much better (in your opinion) are the 600 than 595? Consider (approx) HD595 $170, HD600 $280.

Is the difference down to the 600 excelling when well amped but the 595 not improving much? I'm trying to decide what to do with my amp and I may be better off selling it and getting the 595. But I'd hate to do that if the combination with a 600 was so much better.

I think the difference is well worth the upgrade. HD595 has an advantage of being extremely light and much more comfortable than the 600 as a result. However, I should consider it mid-fi while the HD600 would be regarded more as a hi-fi gear. Improperly amped, the HD600 would sound like crap --> small soundstage, poor separation and definition, everything is clustered. When properly amped, however, the HD600 will really outshine the HD595 (although the HD595 will also shine with a good amp). Percentage wise, I'd say the difference is around 40%.
post #27 of 44
Penguindude, thanks for the info.

595 is tempting but I suspect a waste of money in the long run.
post #28 of 44
if HD600 is fine and only thing that You need is more bass - then just get youself amp. with bigger bass and eventually IC and eventually source - no need to change them imho
post #29 of 44
Another option, instead of modding the HD-600, may be to replace the one HD-600 by one HD-580 _and_ one HD-650.

...that was the compromise I came to when trying to find the best senn for me, personally. And I'm actually very happy with it. So maybe I shouldn't call it a compromise as it allows me to use the HD-580 frequently without the fear of missing something (I _could_ use the HD-650 if "necessary" ;-)
post #30 of 44
how odd, the HP2 came into my mine too when I saw the title.
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