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post #31 of 63
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Well, it usually takes a little longer then two replies for the personal insults to start flying
The first insult I read was:

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You really need to get a life.
By the same one of 4 that usually says such things, then gets indignant and accuses others of making it personal.

I don't let it rest because until these people are called up on it, they won't stop and we won't be able to have intelligent conversations and meaningful arguments on this board.
post #32 of 63
Back on topic, I don't believe in the relevant form of censorship and I think that even incorrect information should be left available and visible. The fact that it may be incorrect should also me made available. It's up to an individual to use all of that available information and personal experience to decide on their own version of the facts.

I enjoy 6 moons reviews. Whether I "believe" them or not would be a foolish question. I make up my mind on a line by line basis. The things I have read previously on 6 moons, and on the internet in general, influence my judgment.
post #33 of 63
dont waste your time on them steven. its not going to help.
post #34 of 63
Thanks man. It might help someone though. It might help them realize that they are making themselves stressed with their negativity, and it might help someone else who reads their posts and makes a bad decision.

I don't have anything invested in it, I'm just here doing some work and this is entertaining for a break!

For the record, I've heard the difference between silver and copper, but nothing else I can be sure of.
post #35 of 63
Excellent review. I'm thinking, I'm thinking.
post #36 of 63
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No matter what your overall impression of 6moons is, it's hard not to argue that they have a real hard-on when it comes to Zu, justified or not. I'm curious how their cables compare Mechnically to BJC, since their lowest low end cables are a bit cheaper.

And holy god did this thread get ugly fast.
I agree with you. I really disliked both of the Zu speakers I heard, yet 6moons have always given them favorable reviews.
post #37 of 63
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Originally Posted by Kees View Post
I regard it more a source of opinions. I find nothing wrong with that.
All opinions are not created equal. Some opinions are backed up by experience and facts. Others are just opinions.

See ya
Steve
post #38 of 63
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Originally Posted by stevenkelby View Post
Back on topic, I don't believe in the relevant form of censorship and I think that even incorrect information should be left available and visible.
Six Moons rewrote their "review" of Brilliant Pebbles to make it more jokey and to remove some "maybe it does make a difference" comments recently. I bet they took a lot of flack for that one. I wonder if they rewrite reviews on their website often.

See ya
Steve
post #39 of 63
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
All opinions are not created equal. Some opinions are backed up by experience and facts. Others are just opinions.

See ya
Steve
All opinions are created equal.
Some people have more experience than others.
Experience sometimes brings forth a better judgement and more interesting views. But not allways. Not enough people allow experience to teach them something.
I find it most dissapointing to discover how very experienced people often are stuck in a rut and can't get out. They used their experience only to convince theirselves that they allready know it all. That leaves no room for development and no room for any sort of meaningful discussion.
Sad.
post #40 of 63
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Originally Posted by Kees View Post
All opinions are created equal.
That is most definitely not true, if it were things like authority, expertize, leadership and so on and so forth would be completely meaningless concepts. Relativism/egalitarianism can be sometimes taken too far. All opinions, however, can and should be challenged.

I don't fool myself that 6 moon reviews are "opinions," in either case - they are marketing pitches for particular products. This is how they are written and this is how they work: they don't say "I have enjoyed this or that" they say "buy it - it will make your system better and it's a bargain!"

Stylistically speaking, they try to mimic scientific language, they use technical sounding terms like "methodology", "theory", "testing", "detecting", "subtractive auditions", "establishing", "reduction", "improvement" - all, paradoxically, referring to purely subjective experiences, which is to say things that are impossible to measure and discuss scientifically.

They do all this, of course, to appear as more than opinions, as authoritative statements of truth... thus the use of expressions such as "no-brainer", "gains in absolute terms", X " is an even greater steal and as expected, the better value" than Y, "the more Mother and Varial cables a system contains, the greater the effect", "clearly belong in the neutral, detailed and faithful category - no question or ambiguity there", "they are incredible bargains, period."

They can of course be read as "opinions," and some will read them that way, but I think it is more prudent to read them for what they actually are: sophisticated, shrewd techniques for generating additional demand for the products they describe. There is nothing innocent, casual or disinterested about them - it business through and through.
post #41 of 63
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Originally Posted by fwojciec View Post
That is most definitely not true, if it were things like authority, expertize, leadership and so on and so forth would be completely meaningless concepts. Relativism/egalitarianism can be sometimes taken too far.
These concepts have meaning only in the perception and appreciation of others, not as absolutes.

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All opinions, however, can and should be challenged..
Challenged? Why?
You can also do something constructive with them and in the process enrich both parties.

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I don't fool myself that 6 moon reviews are "opinions," in either case - they are marketing pitches for particular products. This is how they are written and this is how they work: they don't say "I have enjoyed this or that" they say "buy it - it will make your system better and it's a bargain!"

Stylistically speaking, they try to mimic scientific language, they use technical sounding terms like "methodology", "theory", "testing", "detecting", "subtractive auditions", "establishing", "reduction", "improvement" - all, paradoxically, referring to purely subjective experiences, which is to say things that are impossible to measure and discuss scientifically.

They do all this, of course, to appear as more than opinions, as authoritative statements of truth... thus the use of expressions such as "no-brainer", "gains in absolute terms", X " is an even greater steal and as expected, the better value" than Y, "the more Mother and Varial cables a system contains, the greater the effect", "clearly belong in the neutral, detailed and faithful category - no question or ambiguity there", "they are incredible bargains, period."

They can of course be read as "opinions," and some will read them that way, but I think it is more prudent to read them for what they actually are: sophisticated, shrewd techniques for generating additional demand for the products they describe. There is nothing innocent, casual or disinterested about them - it business through and through.
As I said before: getting to know the person(s) that express their view is an essential part of the appreciation of them.
That implies I won't take them at face value.
I agree for the most part with you about what could (probably are) their motives, but knowing that I still find them interesting to read.
post #42 of 63
An opinion is something that can be proved neither true or false. Sometimes something is an opinion, and then it developes into a fact or falsehood. But by definition, an opinion is neither right, nor wrong.

For example, it would be an opinion if I said I thought Carmine's Ceaser Salad tasted great. However, if I said I thought it tasted exactly like Burtucci's Ceaser Salad, that could be proved right or wrong, with double-bind testing. That second example would not be an opinion.

If 6moons said "Zu cables are the most neutral cables we've ever heard," that could be proved right or wrong, via comparisons with other cables they have reviewed. Of course, we are not allowed to invoke those evil words about a specific kind of comparison, so I will leave it at that.
post #43 of 63
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Originally Posted by Kees View Post
All opinions are created equal.
Some people have more experience than others.
The truth is the truth whether it's stated by a college professor or a high school dropout. It doesn't matter who expresses the opinion. What matters is how well the opinion holds up to the facts. All opinions are not created equal. Some of them are solidly supported... others are full of hot air.

See ya
Steve
post #44 of 63
Let's remember, opinions are like belly buttons. Everyone has one.
post #45 of 63
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Originally Posted by Spareribs View Post
Let's remember, opinions are like belly buttons. Everyone has one.
And I think we can all agree that outies are gross.
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