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Furutech PC-2 Disc Treatment  

post #1 of 95
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just ordered this product. $39.10 after shipping (priority mail usps). below is a product review from StereoTimes. i'll report back my findings. but in the mean time, has anyone else tried this stuff. thanks.

Furutech PC-2 Disc Treatment

Slightly smaller in size than the "CD Clarity" bottle, measuring some 5 ½" tall and just ⅞" in diameter, the PC-2 fluid is also supplied in its own spray applicator bottle. Mine came packaged with a 7" by 5 ½" purple "micro-fiber" cloth, very much like those now handed out at optical centers to clean your new plastic lenses, and sells for $32.00. No mention of the actual volume of fluid included in the bottle or approximately how many discs may be treated is made.

Treatment is identical to that with the "CD Clarity," or most other spray fluids for that matter, and is accomplished in seconds. Like the less expensive "CD Clarity," there is a notable increase in focus and specificity, more harmonic texture, increased warmth with vocals and strings and enhanced bass and midbass resolution.

However, there is a bit more. The use of PC-2 also allows a greater sense of dynamic contrasts. There is also a heightened distinctness of the space of the recording and the venue itself. The music seems to emanate from a quieter, darker background, which is a hallmark of the better fluid treatments I've examined, such as the pricey but exceptional Millennium Q-151 treatment fluid. There is a greater sense of instrumental individuality, perhaps an indication that PC-2 offers a bit more resolution than some of the other fluid treatments, which yields more of an instruments individual musical contribution as well as a more distinct indication as to its physical location within the recording. Regardless, the effects are highly desirable, and among some of the best I've noted with any of the specific fluid treatments I've examined, including Finyl, Clear-Bit, the Disc Doctors Miracle CD Cleaner, In-Sight, the Auric Illuminator fluid, M.A.C.'s Compact Disc Magic and Rain-X, to name just a few.

edit: the product works. after application, everything seems a bit more illuminated, crisper, and with a clearer sense of space. the difference is subtle but noticeable - meaning that if you listen to one track closely and then the same track but this time treated, you will pick up on some differences (enhancements). the product description says that the fluid maximizes the laser reading capability of the CD, producing higher quality sound. this seems to be true. the benefits also seem to be somewhat short lasting - roughly the length of the CD. so it is a neat little tweak but also not very cheap as each listen appears to require reapplication and the bottle being not that large is probably good for only about 45-50 CDs. am i glad i purchased it. yes. because i like to try new things and it does seem to work. will i buy another bottle - probably not. but if there was another product of similar quality that was more affordable, i would consider it.
post #2 of 95
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i'm open to trying things. i'm not interested in theories. i'm interested in actual experiences. was the reviewer of stereotimes just wholesale lying or did he imagine everything. i've read a lot of positive reviews from many people about these CD enhancer fluids. are they all lying/delusional.

i'll try the product and try to note whatever differences - if any - it makes. that's it. no idea why you feel it necessary to thread crap. i asked if anyone had used the product. you haven't. so you should not have responded to this thread.
post #3 of 95
Try it, and then knock it. Otherwise it is just speculation from opinionated opinionaters.
post #4 of 95
It looks like that reviewer threw every generic phrase from the audiophile bible into that review:

-notable increase in focus and specificity (the music is more specific?)
-more harmonic texture
-increased warmth with vocals and strings
-enhanced bass and midbass resolution
-greater sense of dynamic contrasts
-heightened distinctness of the space of the recording and the venue itself
-quieter, darker
-greater sense of instrumental individuality
-more distinct indication as to [an instrument's] physical location within the recording

You might as well ditch the CD and just squirt that stuff into the player. Combine all of those attributes and it appears that dropping some of the fluid onto a disc will turn your CD player into a high-powered tube amplifier!

I don't mean to say that there's no way that the product could work at all, just that these sorts of sensationalized reviews are very, very suspicious. For example, I've never seen anything bad said about CD cleaning fluids in a "professional" review... ever.

I apologize if this post is mostly theoretical, but I think it's important to ask yourself a few questions before you part with your hard-earned money, specifically: "How could this work?" and "What problem does this solve?"
post #5 of 95
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Originally Posted by infinitesymphony View Post
I apologize if this post is mostly theoretical, but I think it's important to ask yourself a few questions before you part with your hard-earned money, specifically: "How could this work?" and "What problem does this solve?"
Hopes and dreams.

And

People with too much money, not enough common sense.


Did I get it right Bob? Do I get to play plinko now?
post #6 of 95
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shoo.

go away trolls!!

get a life.
post #7 of 95
If you want to experiment with snake oil in the privacy of your own home, feel free to blow your lunch money any way you please. But if you're going to post your follies to a public board, people are going to stare with their jaws agape and point at you. You aren't going to be able to avoid it. Willful ignorance is always an attention getter.

You can't define a thread as being the exclusive domain of people who agree with you. If you really want a private forum reserved for those who like their audio with lots of vague, flowery adjectives, create an email coffee clatch with the four or five likeminded souls who populate these sorts of threads. Do a search for "brilliant pebbles", "clever little clock" or "green felt tip markers"... you'll find them quickly enough. They're the ones with the hundreds of posts full of righteous indignation and hostility.

I officially tag this thread with the keyword "Hoodoo-Fi".

See ya
Steve
post #8 of 95
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my last post was referring to you too.

try to contribute something for once to this forum other than your broken record posts of EVERYTHING IS THE SAME and THERE IS NOTHING BETTER THAN THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR. that's what 99 percent of your posts boil down to.
post #9 of 95
Well, its a pretty bogus thread now, because there is no way you'll say it didn't improve your sound to save face and saying it did improve the sound will only nullify any other review or opinion you have ever made because you are susceptible to the "placebo effect".

There is only one way out of this, you need to run a scientific, objective test on it. You'll need some sophisticated equipment, but look at the output from the untreated CD and compare it to that of the treated CD. If it truly manages to allow the drive to pick up more bits or whatnot, then I guess you have every right in the world to rub it in our faces.
post #10 of 95
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Well, its a pretty bogus thread now, because there is no way you'll say it didn't improve your sound to save face and saying it did improve the sound will only nullify any other review or opinion you have ever made because you are susceptible to the "placebo effect".
what is there to save face over.

i never claimed it worked. i only said that i would try it and report my findings. i hope it works. a lot people say it does. but i won't know until i try it. that is the difference between me and you. it is only you and the other trolls who are so sure it is impossible that it could work. you are the narrow minded ones who have decided everything in advance. all is the same. nothing is better. there are no differences for you people. only more domga.
post #11 of 95
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Well, its a pretty bogus thread now, because there is no way you'll say it didn't improve your sound to save face and saying it did improve the sound will only nullify any other review or opinion you have ever made because you are susceptible to the "placebo effect".

There is only one way out of this, you need to run a scientific, objective test on it. You'll need some sophisticated equipment, but look at the output from the untreated CD and compare it to that of the treated CD. If it truly manages to allow the drive to pick up more bits or whatnot, then I guess you have every right in the world to rub it in our faces.
And this could be easily done as well.

Burn a CD with a test signal from RMAA,

Test it. Apply coating, and test again.

OR an even more accurate way to look at just the digital data. Do a Nero test CD, test it, apply to same CD and test again.
post #12 of 95
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what is there to save face over.

i never claimed it worked. i only said that i would try it and report my findings. i hope it works. a lot people say it does. but i won't know until i try it. that is the difference between me and you. it is only you and the other trolls who are so sure it is impossible that it could work. you are the narrow minded ones who have decided everything in advance. all is the same. nothing is better. there are no differences for you people. only more domga.
Yes yes yes, everyone who doesn't believe in this stuff is a troll. Blah blah blah, ignore list this ignore list that.

Nobody really cares.

Just by how you discourage the opinions of those who do not have the same ones as yours, goes to show how good your character is.

Keep on giving away your money, you sure are making it easy for people to take it.
post #13 of 95
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thank you head-fi for the ignore feature. so happy i can't see the nonsense above me.

edit: or below.
post #14 of 95
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thank you head-fi for the ignore feature. so happy i can't see the nonsense above me.
Then how do you know we said anything.

Guess life must be interesting when you just block out everyone that disagrees with you. Too bad real life doesn't play by your fantasy rules.
post #15 of 95
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...it is only you and the other trolls who are so sure it is impossible that it could work...
So far, no one in this thread has claimed outright that this particular product won't work at all. We're just skeptical.
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