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post #3796 of 3897
Hey there again.

Haha this is weird: On the left side the three wires are the ones which I can identify clearly, and on the right side I can see two drivers (there's a line in between them, so I assume it's two drivers side by side).

The fit's great (after the refit, which is the reason why I'm asking to identify the three drivers in case they remade it to the duals). However, if it was one side on Duals and one side on Trips, I bet the sound would be very noticably weird.

I'll post my impressions when I get a concrete impression of how they sound, probably by this week.

Thanks again!
post #3797 of 3897
Sounds like you are all set then.... and anyways I'm fairly sure you would notice the difference if you had one of each.
post #3798 of 3897
I talked with bt-fi, who has Fidelity Duals and Fidelity Triples, then listened them and my LiveWires T1. Plus, his audiologist measured their frequency responses.

As a result, we found that there was a distinct difference between Fidelity Duals and LiveWires T1. Treble of Fidelity Duals is obviously opaque and rough compared to LiveWires T1. I don't know why but Fidelity Triples have the same problem imo.

I sent a mail to Fidelity about that and sent my Triples back. I received the Triples a few weeks ago, but unfortunately, the problem wasn't fixed and Fidelity seemed to be not able to fix it.
post #3799 of 3897

Fidelity Dual's

One thing I am not seeing mentioned in these posts is that the MATERIAL of the Fidelity's (and I assume the LiveWire's and Sleek's) is a HARD plastic, NOT a soft malleable silicone, like regular custom ear plugs and typical in-ear's.

Also, no one seems to be mentioning that the efficiency of the drivers do not support "typical" gain settings on most headphone ready equipment.

I am unable to get an accurate seal after 2 returns, nor am I able to turn up the volume on nearly any device, past the 1 or 2 setting.
These 2 factors should be high on the list of people considering these, especially those of us that use multiple headphones, loudspeakers, and listening equipment.

Here is my tale:
I got a set of the Fidelity Dual's, and immediately sent back for "re-fit".
They came back "better", but I again sent the right side back for another "tweak".
Came back "better" yet, but if I move my head or face in the slightest, the seal changes and all L/R and / or bass response changes drastically.
I could NEVER use these as a performing Bassist on stage without risk to my hearing, as these would quickly unseal (losing all bass response and letting in a sudden blast of unprotected drumset SPL's) and most likely fall out with even the simplest of stage "moves" (i.e. looking at the drummer, or looking down at the pedal board...smiling at the crowd...)
At this point I can say they tried their best (pretty decent with personal phone response from Katherine Neal, but email response was really slow and uninformative), but with the HARD Plastic ear pieces, I find it is impossible to get them to survive a light visit to the gym no matter how well they can tweak them. I do plan on trying them on a 2 hour plane flight soon! (sitting completely still, tweaking the iPod "EQ" to get me through the flight without earplugs for jet rumble! ? )

Sonically, even when they are sealed to the best I can achieve, I find the midrange to be so pronounced (but detailed) that it takes a while to adjust to them after going from loudspeakers or Alessandro Music Two's, that they are basically unusable for music enjoyment, nor critical listening.
While, inferior to almost any other headphone or loudspeaker for full range audio "quality", I CAN hear detail that is not represented anywhere else:
-Tape / hiss artifacts are audible, but I would NEVER use these as a "treble" reference.
-Over-Compression / limiting artifacts and pumping are immediately audible, but again, the imbalance between midrange and both the lows and highs are unusable for critical listening.

Additionally, they are so "efficient" that I find I need to completely zero all gain on all gear before even thinking about plugging them in.
I am going to shell out the $40 for the 50 ohm Cable Set, but then between the 2 x Return trips for re-fitting, and the actually useful cables, the total for these is quickly zipping up to the range of Ultimate Ears, Sleek's, or Westone's...

In most cases, I find that I have to put the "volume" on 1 or 2, which immediately brings out any hiss, L/R discrepancies in the amp, or other undesirables that are NOT present on powered loudspeakers, nor other headphones.
This would be great if the fidelity were up to snuff on what was coming through, as then I could "test" every headphone amp on the market with them! Unfortunately, I want to listen to MUSIC, and I want to seal out outside noise while doing so. Otherwise, I use my Alessandro's, or loudspeakers! The purpose for these in-ear's is the SEAL and the audio quality! Then I could use them in all instances where the other options do not work.
post #3800 of 3897
Ouch, sounds like maybe you have a defective pair, or else the Fidelitys are just no good. Don't they offer a 30 day refund if you don't like them? Or maybe that is just the original LiveWires.

To be fair, most customs available (high end or budget) are made from the same hard acrylic shell. Only the Sensaphonics and ACS products use a solf silicone, and those aren't very well known around here (and also very pricey, but supposedly great). Getting a great fit really is key to enjoying any custom.

Some people have had luck with using clear acrylic coating made for model kits, or else even nail polish, to gradually add layers where needed. Usually this is done on the tip area, to make it slightly larger thus creating a tighter fit/seal. You might try this if you can't return them.
post #3801 of 3897

fidelity customs or mylivewires?

hi folks,

hope it's ok to resurrect an old thread. i've been following it off and on for a long time now, got the moulds done, and finally want to make the purchase. i read some positive reviews for the LiveWire Trips and so will go with those.

three questions:

1) are these still the best performers in their price category (i live in the UK)?

2) which company do i get them from?

3) what's the most cost-effective cable upgrade?

thanks in advance to anyone who may have answers to any and all!!!

will be using these with the udac which will arrive next week sometime!

James
post #3802 of 3897
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinseljim View Post
hi folks,

hope it's ok to resurrect an old thread. i've been following it off and on for a long time now, got the moulds done, and finally want to make the purchase. i read some positive reviews for the LiveWire Trips and so will go with those.

three questions:

1) are these still the best performers in their price category (i live in the UK)?

2) which company do i get them from?

3) what's the most cost-effective cable upgrade?

thanks in advance to anyone who may have answers to any and all!!!

will be using these with the udac which will arrive next week sometime!

James
1. Finally the Westone 2 will come close to this performance as a universal fit IEM in this price range, but they will not be as comfortable nor isolate as well as the Livewires. However, as I gain weight over the years, my LW have become a little too tight but I can adjust the W2 fit as needed, no problem.

2. Don't know, but I have only heard the CA Livewires and don't know if the TN company sounds the same.

3. stevenkelby can make you a silver plated copper cable for between $125-$150 which improves micro-detail, transparency and bass. Send him a PM if you need a cable. Otherwise the stock one isn't bad but it can be improved upon.
post #3803 of 3897
Thank you very much HPA! I'll give the cable some serious thought.

Just to clarify from your post:
The LiveWire Trips are comparable to the Westone 2s? The review I read said that the LiveWire Trips are a poormans ES3X!


(ps - I received my uDac yesterday and I'm really enjoying it. It is better than the Zero with HDAM in the DAC output. While the Zero has a slightly wider soundstage the uDac wins in musicality and lush mids. And it hasn't burnt-in yet.)

James
post #3804 of 3897
I believe HPA was comparing the dual driver (original) LiveWires to the Westone 2. Having owned the original LiveWires, I felt they were very close but slightly superior to the top universals like Westone 3 or UM3X. HPA felt the other way around: the W3 and UM3X are slightly superior to LiveWires duals. I definitely think they are close enough to justify either view. I have not heard the Westone 2 so can't comment on that comparison.

I'm the person around here who loves the Trips, and yes I think they are very much on par with the ES3X. They scale well and with a great source they approach the best available at any price.
post #3805 of 3897
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinseljim View Post
Thank you very much HPA! I'll give the cable some serious thought.

Just to clarify from your post:
The LiveWire Trips are comparable to the Westone 2s? The review I read said that the LiveWire Trips are a poormans ES3X!


(ps - I received my uDac yesterday and I'm really enjoying it. It is better than the Zero with HDAM in the DAC output. While the Zero has a slightly wider soundstage the uDac wins in musicality and lush mids. And it hasn't burnt-in yet.)

James
Sorry, I meant Livewires T1, not trips in #2.

They were, as the other user said, very close in quality to the W3 or UM3X; and the transparency is excellent in the duals, while I thought the immersion in the performance and presence of instruments was a little stronger with the W3/UM3X.
post #3806 of 3897
Thank you both.

Wow - this could potentially be a top notch budget system:

1) LiveWires Trips (on par with the ES3X)
+
2) nu force uDac (on par or better than pico)

total for these budget components (without shipping etc.) = $349 + $99 = $449
vs.
total for ES3X + pico = $800 + $500 = $1,300

um...i think that's enough for me to finally go fo it. OK the uDac doesn't have analog in but it will be a while before I have a better DAC than the uDac so not an issue really.

Am i going crazy or is this about right? I have the money for the Trips and just wanted to be sure I'm not too crazy in my thinking!

Thanks guys,

James
post #3807 of 3897
Thank you both.

Wow - this could potentially be a top notch budget system:

1) LiveWires Trips (on par with the ES3X)
+
2) nu force uDac (on par or better than pico)

total for these budget components (without shipping etc.) = $349 + $99 = $449
vs.
total for ES3X + pico = $800 + $500 = $1,300

um...i think that's enough for me to finally go fo it. OK the uDac doesn't have analog in but it will be a while before I have a better DAC than the uDac so not an issue really.

Am i going crazy or is this about right? I have the money for the Trips and just wanted to be sure I'm not too crazy in my thinking!

Thanks guys,

James
post #3808 of 3897
That's how I see it. I've not heard the uDac but all reports indicate it is a supreme bang for the buck device, much like the LiveWires. I have many other options but find myself repeatedly reaching for the Trips.
post #3809 of 3897
I think I'm going to pull the trigger on a pair of Trips - hopefully Livewire is making progress cutting down on its backlog.
post #3810 of 3897
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmanGeorge View Post
I think I'm going to pull the trigger on a pair of Trips - hopefully Livewire is making progress cutting down on its backlog.
I hope so but wouldn't count on it. Part of the problem is Jaben overseas, who I believe places many orders with LiveWires every month. Be prepared to wait for a long, long time (just in case) and the results will be very rewarding.
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