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post #3751 of 3897
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Originally Posted by isao2k8 View Post
I send my Triples back to Fidelity again tomorrow. Hope they will be able to specify the cause of the problem...
Your Sending them back again? I thought you sent them back already and they changed the drivers?
post #3752 of 3897
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Originally Posted by Steph86 View Post
Your Sending them back again? I thought you sent them back already and they changed the drivers?
I received the fixed triples but they were not so improved (refer to my previous post.) So I contacted Fidelity again to solve the problem, then decided to send my Triples back again.

Actually, I have yet to send them. I lent them to another man who also had Fidelity Duals and Triples, and am waiting for his review.
post #3753 of 3897
... how's he going to be able to review your customs...?

still nothing yet from the CA office, though Martha is being helpful.

just to restate my previous posts to anyone reading and interested. John Diles will likely tell you what ever it takes for him to get your money, after which he'll likely disappear.

it'll take about a month no mater what you're told...

/rant.
post #3754 of 3897
I popped in my 2-driver Livewires T1 for an extended listen last night, after having spent the past 3 months with several $850-$1200 custom IEM (JH13Pro, ES3X and UE11Pro).

With all the trouble people are having with the 3-way Livewires and Fidelity Triples, I think the 2-driver are still the safest bet. I am still impressed by the capabilities of the LW to present a great musical experience with detail and ambience and good timbre/tone and frequency extension. The JH13Pro, ES3X and UE11Pro excel in eliminating the smaller in-the-head soundstage of the T1, while being smoother and more refined with better micro-detail. But, the LW are still impressive and are only a little below the Westone 3 and UM3X which also have better soundstage and imaging for more money, like I find with the flagship custom IEM that I own.
post #3755 of 3897
So, i drove up and picked up my livewires today. i've only listened about 30 minutes or so, (i was driving back, and couldn't listen).

My first impressions:

fit: My ear feels full... a little more so than with my silicone musicians earplugs.

sound: I ordered Duel drivers, and i'm getting results quite to the contrary of which livewires were previously described. The audio is dull It sounds dull, a little bass heavy, like crap buds.

example: flake, by Jack johnson
the snare sounds muddy, and in the far distance. not the crisp whack of the snare, but a thunk. and the symbols are likewise. completely different from my ADDIEMs, and UE SF.5 Pro! and livewires were described as bright!. i dunno, maybe they're just not burned in well enough...

They definitely isolate better than anything i've ever used... even without music, they plug my ears better than my musicians plugs... granted those are filtered.


Edit: Uh, so i raised the volume, and it became crisper... perhaps it isolates so well, i didn't have the volume high enough? *shrug*

also, i didn't know this before hand, but LiveWires (CA) has changed their cables drastically. they are no longer light weight braided cables, but now are thick stiff cables. thicker than my UE SF.5 cables. the microphonics (is that how you spell it?) are atrocious if you listen with the wires straight down while moving, but is practically non-existent when wearing the cable behind the ear.

To add, i can't seem to locate the supposed "crossover circuit". is this within the drivers? all i can see is one small driver, and one large driver (about 2.5 times the size of the small driver) each with two wires connected directly to the mini-jack which the cable plugs into... can anyone explain to me where this "crossover" is?
post #3756 of 3897
pictures... i don't see where this crossover is... though i've googled, and some look more crowded inside than others...



post #3757 of 3897
I always though the Xover was inside the internal connector box part (for lack of a better term). Either that, or they are using perfectly matched and complimentary drivers which do not need a crossover at all: I believe that would be a much more difficult engineering task.
post #3758 of 3897
i didn't think that was the case... however i don't really know what a crossover looks like...


the sound still sounds veiled...

and on fit, i've only put about 2 more hours on, and i couldn't keep them in for longer than 40 minutes. it seems they're too deep, like if i push on them it feels like their poking the inside of my ears...

can someone who owns customs let me know if that's normal? do i just have to get used to it? Or are the stems too long?
post #3759 of 3897
does anyone have an answer for me?

also, i took my impressions open-mouth, but without a bite block (john said it's unnecessary), however when i roll my jaw i break seal... normal?

I'm really concerned whether what i'm hearing is normal... i'm getting quite a lot of bass, but not much high-clarity. and on a scale from basshead to treble freak i'm in the middle, but leaning slightly towards the bass... and i'm finding it particularly bass heavy.


ALSO: does anyone want to swap a pair of the old-style braided cables for the new thicker sturdier ones? i bought a spair pair, but i don't like how stiff it is. Also, i want to see if it's the new cables that is affecting sound... are mine among the first with these cables? or is this an unspoken of change?
post #3760 of 3897
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Originally Posted by dnullify View Post
I'm really concerned whether what i'm hearing is normal... i'm getting quite a lot of bass, but not much high-clarity. and on a scale from basshead to treble freak i'm in the middle, but leaning slightly towards the bass... and i'm finding it particularly bass heavy.
That doesn't sound at all like my Livewires which I've had for about 6 months now. I would describe them as having slightly less bass than my SF5 Pros, and more detailed mids. I haven't noticed any change with burn-in.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dnullify View Post
ALSO: does anyone want to swap a pair of the old-style braided cables for the new thicker sturdier ones? i bought a spair pair, but i don't like how stiff it is. Also, i want to see if it's the new cables that is affecting sound... are mine among the first with these cables? or is this an unspoken of change?
I have 3 cables for mine:
1. the original thin, black, braided cable
2. A thin, black resistor cable ordered from Fidelity, when I gave up waiting for CA to send the extra cable I originally ordered.
3. A silver, braided cable from the CA office (finally). Heavier than the original, but not as thick as my SF5 Pro cable.

I mostly use cable #3 along with the attenuator from my SF5 Pros. The sound is slightly different with this cable. I think I'm hearing more detail in the high frequencies, which for someone in their mid-upper 40s is somewhere < 16 KHz. The original cable is sitting in a box as a backup to my backup, and is available if you want it.
post #3761 of 3897
An Aquaintance of mine got a pair of original Livewires about 2 months ago, and they came with the revised silver braided cable. I call it revised because the plug had that odd angle (not straight, not fully angled, I guess suitable for iPhone?). It was silver, fairly thin, and seemed very nice except for the splitter part which was solid black and looked cheesy. He sent his back for refit and is still waiting, hopefully they send back the same cable. That new solid thick cable looks bad.
post #3762 of 3897
did you get that from livewires, or fidelity? i really do think that the weird sound may be due to the different cables... maybe these are resistive...?


I've been listening more, so i'm going to try and describe it again:

The music is clear in the lows, with LOADs of quantity, and not completely unpleasant.
However, most of the music i listen to, the highs and vocals are really distanced. It feels like i'm standing in the hallway outside the concert building. (I don't know if anyone knows what i'm talking about).
Also, at comfortable listening levels, the detail on the mids and highs are just not sharp. the snare drum sounds flat, and the symbols sound as if they're covered in cloth. i believe the term is 'veiled'...

again, i've only now got about 6 hours or so on them, so maybe it's just burn-in.
my other theories:
-new cable= different sound (resistance)
-the bores are too deep, and are funneling audio into the flesh of my ear instead of into the ear drum (probably not the case)
-something wrong with the crossover- lacking thereof...


speaking of crossover, i've been looking at pictures, and it seems like mine are a bit less crowded than others. however, i haven't been able to locate any cross over. in the 3 different pictures i've seen.

here's a jh13



you can see some sort of circuit, granted that is a 3-way.

my only idea as to the location of the crossover, is that it's integrated into the golden contact.

Also, does anyone have a spare braided livewire-compatible cable to swap for a new cable?
post #3763 of 3897
My friend purchased from Livewires, not fidelity.

As for your theories:
I don't think cables really matter, certainly not the opinion of this forum, but a far more reasonable, sensible, and scientific point of view. I suppose it could have a different resistance but that would be very unlikely unless they did so by design. It looks like a cheaper cable to save money.

It could be possible that yours go too deep. They look longer in that area than most others I've seen. What happens to the mids/highs if you pull them out just slightly?

I highly doubt you are missing a crossover. Crossovers are not as complicated looking as you seem to think. There only needs to really be a few parts, nothing that couldn't fit inside the gold connector piece.

I doubt burn in as well, but maybe you will get used to the sound. If not, then you are in for the potentially agonizing process of waiting again for a refit, or trying to get a refund.
post #3764 of 3897
Whew, only been through 45 pages...

Anyway,

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Originally Posted by dfkt View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong - but balanced armatures don't change their sound signature over time. No use burning them in.
I really cannot remember where I read it, I think it was this or another forum, but the person quoted Jerry Harvey himself as saying something along the lines of him hearing the custom IEMs, and saying that they do indeed improve in sound over time.

If one of the foremost leaders of the custom makers says this, I'm sure that burning in of IEMs (and especially customs) is more than simply placebo.
post #3765 of 3897
Well there is a way to test it.
Get 2 pairs, burn in one for a few hundred hours at one shot and compare them side by side
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