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post #3556 of 3897
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Originally Posted by hockeyb213 View Post
there will be some there is always someone who wants to try everything in a area to get the best in that area for them. For instance, I tried the ie8, tf10, w3, and se530 before settling down with 1
But customs cannot be resold.
post #3557 of 3897
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Originally Posted by Sinocelt View Post
That's the problem with customs, eh? It'll be hard to find someone who can compare the Triples with the ES3X -- or, to consider items of a similar cost, the Triples with the C3 and the UE4 pro.
While that would seem logical, historically it seems that there are usually individuals who defy that assumption. On this forum, there's a dude who has the UE10pro, UE11pro, and the ES3X.

I know there's a guy on jaben that has both the ES3X and the new trips from livewire. He's given a positive early impression of the livewires, although he won't directly compare to them to the ES3X, which is kinda annoying (IMO).


I wish I had the $$ to buy multiple high-end customs...
post #3558 of 3897
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Originally Posted by Sinocelt View Post
But customs cannot be resold.
no but in livewires and some others case they can be returned or like headphoneaddict they may be held onto
post #3559 of 3897
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Originally Posted by roy_jones View Post
I know there's a guy on jaben that has both the ES3X and the new trips from livewire. He's given a positive early impression of the livewires, although he won't directly compare to them to the ES3X, which is kinda annoying (IMO).
Yeah, I've got the same problem with Jude's recent reviews of the UE4 pro and SRH 840. They're both leaps and bounds better than "the competition," but no actual comparison is dared.
post #3560 of 3897
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Originally Posted by Sinocelt View Post
Yeah, I've got the same problem with Jude's recent reviews of the UE4 pro and the Shure SRH 840. They're both leaps and bounds better than "the competition," but no actual comparison is offered.
I'm learning that there are a lot of problems with audio reviews, in general. For me, there's no emotional attachment or affiliation with a product. With custom IEM's, specifically, I think that the finality of the investment gives the buyer an incentive to view the product as having been a good decision.

I'm not at all looking to stir the pot here, especially because I've really enjoyed this particular posters perspective, but I read a review about the ES3X that stated that it's universal counterpart, the UM3X, was very close in quality. The impression I got as a reader was that the custom may not be worth the price premium for most people, depending on the buyers priorities.

I came back a couple of hours later, and the post had been edited to present the ES3X as being better to the UM3X than the original review had suggested. Now, this could be a reflection of a genuine change in opinion about the relative difference....or it could be an example of the problem with audio reviews, more generally.
post #3561 of 3897
Sorry for my late review, here it is..

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Finally, after about two weeks of use and burn-in, its time to review them. I’ll make this short and sweet, not too comprehensive, but just a guide to help those who have problems choosing.





Background
I ordered these from Earpeace in late January, and they recently arrived mid-May. My colour choice was clear on clear, dual drivers (back then there was only dual drivers). It was indeed an excruciating wait of 4 months for me without a proper pair of earphones, and I had to make do with a pair of Klipsch Custom-1s. Finally, one day when I visited the forums on Jaben, they informed me that my Livewires were finally in! Overjoyed, I went down to collect it.

Initial Impressions
The Livewires came with a different packaging than what I had expected. All they gave was a black case (similar to that of Freqs and Crossroads), together with a cleaning tool. Nothing else, no indication that this was of the product Livewires! Hmm.. a little weird here. The cables were white, and not the black cables which I expected. Build was acrylic and very firm, with some parts of the acrylic smothered out. Overall, it looked simple and sweet, exactly what I wanted.

I mainly listen to classical and jazz lossless, so here goes:


Haydn Trumpet Concerto in Eb Major
Performed by Y Symphony of New York

Composed in 1976, this piece marks a significant milestone in the history of classical music. Joseph Haydn, composed this piece for his long time friend Anton Weidinger, a trumpetist. Performed by the Y Symphony of New York, this piece is indeed an innovation on its own, one of the finest pieces by none other than Haydn himself.

Of course, what struck me first in this piece was the violins and violas. The strings section was clear and sharp, not striking but just enough to accompany the trumpets. Each and every note by the violins could be heard clearly and absolutely. The distinct tone of the trumpets was what struck me the most. As compared to my Soundsticks, the Soundsticks were no match for the Livewires. However, I felt that soundstage was lacking a little. Not too bad, but still could be improved. It felt as though I was sitting in a real concert hall, with excellent acoustics and intricate structures to maintain the quality of the music. An enriching experience.

Waltz for Debby Gold CD
Performed by Bill Evans Trio

Bill Evans Trio was a famous jazz trio set in the 1960s. Waltz for Debby is one of the most treasured albums in his collection. Together with bassist Scott LaFaro and Paul Motian, they recorded their last few albums as a trio, before LaFaro was killed in an accident. This great jazz recording is internationally acclaimed, as one of the best well-composed jazz piece of all time. Time to put it to the test!

The EQ for this song originally set by the sound engineer was to have the bass and piano on different sides, as such the soundstage was fantastic, with the sweet melody entering my right ear, while the accompanying bass filling the left, with drums in the background. Bass was not too boomy, however, it leaned towards overpowering the melody and the drums. Clarity was almost perfect; every note was well articulated. Indeed, I do concur that this is one of the finest live jazz recordings, one that would inspire future jazz players and impress audiophiles.

Sound Quality


Soundstage/Clarity
There is a clear identification of where instruments are placed, or at least imaginable, when one takes a good listen. However, it does seem to lack for some songs, but soundstage on Livewires is adequate, just right. Overall: 4/5

Bass
When out of the box, the bass seemed audible, but hardly accompanying the melody. Of course, I was disappointed, but I knew that there was a solution. After 200 hours of burn-in, it was fantastic, not too boomy, not inaudible, but just deliciously crisp. The texture and tonality of the bass, articulated from instruments made of the finest quality was certainly not to be missed. Overall: 5/5

Mids
Mids weren’t so clearly defined, or so I felt. The lack of the middle keys on instruments such as keyboard weren’t striking enough. However, it does its job adequately, providing for the bass and highs to shine. Overall: 4.5/5

Highs
This is what the Livewires shine for. The trebles and highs produced by the drivers are excellent, just pure excellent. Overall: 5/5


Conclusion
Coming from a triple.fi user, I believe that this is a huge improvement, not only in terms of isolation. For one who is looking at a cheap yet excellent in terms of quality and build, get your Livewires now! At a good deal of only US$249, this is not one to be missed. Finally, I can sleep on my side!
post #3562 of 3897
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Originally Posted by roy_jones View Post

I know there's a guy on jaben that has both the ES3X and the new trips from livewire. He's given a positive early impression of the livewires, although he won't directly compare to them to the ES3X, which is kinda annoying (IMO).


I wish I had the $$ to buy multiple high-end customs...
His triples were made before LW's split if i remember correctly.
post #3563 of 3897
Dang! Its going to be a while before I get any customs.
post #3564 of 3897
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Originally Posted by roy_jones View Post
I'm learning that there are a lot of problems with audio reviews, in general. For me, there's no emotional attachment or affiliation with a product. With custom IEM's, specifically, I think that the finality of the investment gives the buyer an incentive to view the product as having been a good decision.

I'm not at all looking to stir the pot here, especially because I've really enjoyed this particular posters perspective, but I read a review about the ES3X that stated that it's universal counterpart, the UM3X, was very close in quality. The impression I got as a reader was that the custom may not be worth the price premium for most people, depending on the buyers priorities.

I came back a couple of hours later, and the post had been edited to present the ES3X as being better to the UM3X than the original review had suggested. Now, this could be a reflection of a genuine change in opinion about the relative difference....or it could be an example of the problem with audio reviews, more generally.
That was ME you're talking about - and you're sort of right, I first posted the UM3X was like a younger brother of the ES3X - yes, that's how good the UM3X's are to these ears - but shortly afterwards, after doing some A/B'ing, I edited my post to say the UM3X 'is not to be dismissed as a distant relative, but more like a close cousin', which makes the UM3X a little more distant SQ wise but not that far apart from my original post (NOT a review). I'd been listening to my UM3X exclusively for a week while waiting for my re-fitted ES3X's to arrive and was - and still am - very impressed. However, on closer examination I changed my own take a little and called the UM3X a close cousin rather than a younger brother.

The UM3X is $350 while the ES3X is $850 + (in my case) ear impressions. Do the ES3X's provide double or more the SQ of the UM3X? Definitely NOT, not even 50% more. I'd say probably in the region about 20%, very hard to be accurate here, but it is certainly a clear upgrade.

So, is the 20% or so worth the more than double price difference? I'd say for most people definitely NOT, but for others, like me, it is. I don't use an amp (sold my P-51 Mustang as I heard no real improvement) and I'm quite happy with just 160gb iPod Classic --> ES3X.

One thing, though, where the UM3X is more like a twin brother (for me, at least) of the ES3X is comfort - the UM3X is extraordinarily comfortable! The shells/ earpieces of the ES3X are bigger & weigh considerably more than the UM3X's, so the latter may even have the edge here, that's how comfortable they are.
post #3565 of 3897
After 6 months, I finally got the extra cable I had ordered with my LiveWires (from CA). Except it wasn't the cable I had ordered. I ordered a cable with the built-in attenuator, but the one they sent was just a plain cable (silver instead of black like the original). So now I've placed an order with Fidelity.

On the other hand, based purely on subjective listening (no ABX or side-by-side comparisons), the new cable seems to sound better than the original.
post #3566 of 3897
Met John Diles at CanJam, and they seem to have everything up and running full steam again. I hope it works out well for them.
post #3567 of 3897
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Originally Posted by markheaps View Post
After 6 months, I finally got the extra cable I had ordered with my LiveWires (from CA). Except it wasn't the cable I had ordered. I ordered a cable with the built-in attenuator, but the one they sent was just a plain cable (silver instead of black like the original). So now I've placed an order with Fidelity.

On the other hand, based purely on subjective listening (no ABX or side-by-side comparisons), the new cable seems to sound better than the original.
The cable connectors are the same for the fidelity and CA right? Am planning to commission an alternate cable from either null audio or some of the diyers around. hahaha
post #3568 of 3897
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
Met John Diles at CanJam, and they seem to have everything up and running full steam again. I hope it works out well for them.
Coolness. I'll update when my 'trips' makes the trip down.
post #3569 of 3897
Anyone tried these with an Audio-gd Compass? I'm going to be purchasing one shortly and would like to know what to expect from my livewires (if anything).
post #3570 of 3897
Anyone experience this problem? My silver cables start to turn slightly blue for no reason, as if it's oxidising. I usually keep them in a case after use, and wipe the wires and the molds every few days with alcoholic wipes.

Anyone know why?
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