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post #3106 of 3897
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Originally Posted by n_maher View Post
In the brief listening that I've been able to do I'd say they sound a bit fuller than my ER4Ps. But I never found the Ety's to be objectionably thin sounding like some others do so bear that in mind.
Oh I find the ER4 to be reasonable and don't find the bass lacking either... but they hurt my ears and not so convenient for true portable use... I'd be happy with the Livewires if they're even close to that clean sounding.
post #3107 of 3897
Hi All,

Can anyone tell me please what Livewires cable is this?,



It looks different from the stock. The plugs are straight and the thing in the middle that separates the cables are slightly larger.

I ordered my Livewires from Jaben and when they finally arrived, they didn't have the cables. So Jaben loan me this cable as I need it urgently. I emailed Art a week later and he sent me a spare cable and I presumed its the stock cable as it's got the right angled plug and also told me that I could keep the cable that I got from Jaben.

I have been using the right angled plug cable since then untill today when I decided just out of curiousity to swapped with this cable and BAM!! the difference in sound quality is enormous.

Its much clearer with this cable and the soundstage opens up really wide. Low end was much deeper although the lower mid range impact was lost slightly. Highs were nice and separation was fantastic. Although the right angled plug cable is great, this one is better.

So has anyone come across this?
post #3108 of 3897
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Originally Posted by parrot5 View Post
Oh I find the ER4 to be reasonable and don't find the bass lacking either... but they hurt my ears and not so convenient for true portable use... I'd be happy with the Livewires if they're even close to that clean sounding.
I was in the same boat like you do now. And your opinion to the er4 is just as what I felt too. I don't agree some claimed that er4 has lesser bass than livewires. However, I would like to make a confusing claim that indeed er4 feel lacking bass once your have experience with the Livewires. Though, I would agree with this myself only with a proper recable job with my livewires (I seriously don't find the stock cable good sounding, especially the bass, it cuts plenty of the low ends away, argghhh!)

For further elaboration of what I'm trying to say is, er4 has the same amount of tight bass as the livewires do. However, I would say the er4 just stop there. But with livewires (again, only with high quality recable, mind is silver), livewires can go much further in the bass spectrums. It can reproduce really good low end bass that make the er4 starts to become to feel lacking in the bass, that's what I'm trying to address here. The bass livewires is capable to reproduce is so full and smooth, it has smooth "vhroom vhroom" and tight "boop boop" that make the er4 sounds like it has only tight "boop boop" and very little "vhroom vhroom". So, that's how livewire really impresses me, and due to this, it makes the listeners feel that it has a lot more bass than the er4, well, many might not agree with me, but that is how i feel.

And more impressing is the extra bass doesn't affect the mid and the high at all, the frequencies are separated really well, and as John said to me personally, and now I do agree that as to John, more than 2 drivers for IEM doesn't make sense to him, at least for the price range livewires is trying to achieve.

And in regards of the mids and highs, however, I personally find that er4 performs better in the highs, maybe I personally like the er4 to be more analytical, it is faster and the high is really perfect to me. But I won't say livewires is inferior either, only that it behaves differently, which I find that it is slower and warmer than er4. However, I also find that livewires can be really reviewing with different sources! So, it can be changed with different combinations of audio devives and amps, hope this help.

And one more thing, I also has the comfort problem with the er4, it was painful for me too! so, it doesn't make sense for me to keep, that was how I got the livewires. And now, I can wear it all day long if I want! 100% no comfort problem!
post #3109 of 3897
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Originally Posted by vurbul View Post
Can anyone tell me please what Livewires cable is this?
I'd hazard a guess that it's the LiveWires cable which has an inbuilt a 50 ohm resistor. Any LiveWires owners able to confirm if this is correct?
post #3110 of 3897
But I thought the 50 ohm cable is suppose to make it sound worse?
post #3111 of 3897
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Originally Posted by vurbul View Post
But I thought the 50 ohm cable is suppose to make it sound worse?
The 50ohm cable is an option, directly from them... And you can have your Livewires with JUST the 50ohm cable alone too.... If it's bad, I can't imagine them keeping the option, as doesn't it increase the chance that a customer would say the earphones suck?
post #3112 of 3897
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Originally Posted by vurbul View Post
But I thought the 50 ohm cable is suppose to make it sound worse?
There was a review about a year ago, but I can't find it, where someone experimented with various resistors and found the 50 ohm made it better for him and was much better sounding than a Etymotic P to S adapter. That was how Livewires came up with that value to use. At some point people started complaining about the 50 ohm, but at first it was all positive.
post #3113 of 3897
John says unless the hiss is really unbearable, its not needed. It puts a film over the sound, as he put it.
post #3114 of 3897
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Originally Posted by Baines93 View Post
John says unless the hiss is really unbearable, its not needed. It puts a film over the sound, as he put it.
Same to me, why everyone is trying to apply the er4 impedance change to livewires? I wouldn't add any extra impedance to my livewires, unless someone or somewhere that is reliably proofing that it has improvements. And John himself told me personally he strongly advice against using the 50ohm cable unless it is really necessary like Baines93 is saying. I more keen to find the best custom cable for my livewires than adding impedance for sure. I'm really happy with my silver cable now.
post #3115 of 3897
RSA Predator is here! Time to A-B, and try lossless again now I can test it with some even more expensive equipment

Didn't realise it was so tiny!
post #3116 of 3897
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Originally Posted by Baines93 View Post
John says unless the hiss is really unbearable, its not needed. It puts a film over the sound, as he put it.
not adaquately amped, i guess? I imagine the K701 (or add 50 ohms to whatever earphones)would sound like there's a film over the sound if it's running out of most portables.... I haven't tried, but just throwing possibilities out here......
post #3117 of 3897
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Originally Posted by Baines93 View Post
John says unless the hiss is really unbearable, its not needed. It puts a film over the sound, as he put it.
Without an amp, which is essentially just serving the purpose of providing variable attenuation for these IEMs, the hiss is unbearable out of my portable source.
post #3118 of 3897
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Originally Posted by n_maher View Post
Without an amp, which is essentially just serving the purpose of providing variable attenuation for these IEMs, the hiss is unbearable out of my portable source.
I can hear little hiss with the livewires directly from my Zune 80gb, however, it is quite minimal for me, thanks god Zune doesn't produce unbearable hiss, and once music is playing, the hiss has gone away.
post #3119 of 3897
well no matter what source you are using if you have a line out and a good amp with a gain option lower then 3 you should not have audible hiss
post #3120 of 3897
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Originally Posted by hockeyb213 View Post
well no matter what source you are using if you have a line out and a good amp with a gain option lower then 3 you should not have audible hiss
Agreed. But as I've already said, I don't want to have to use an amp to enjoy them. At this point I'm leaning heavily towards returning them and going with something less efficient to avoid this issue.
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