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post #2626 of 3897
Pics, plz.
post #2627 of 3897
OK, another quick update:

I'm driving back to the Nashville office tomorrow to sort some stuff out. The seal on the right side now seems to open whenever I unclinch my jaw. Not a good thing. It's possible that I'm not inserting them right, but I doubt it.

Also, after several hours of listening, the exterior of my ears are feeling like they're going to fall off. This is especially true right at the end of the Helix. This is present in both ears. Anyone have any recommendations?
post #2628 of 3897
well folks, my much anticipated LiveWires arrived yesterday. i have a feeling that in over 2600 posts in this thread that most things have been covered, but i'll give some brief thoughts anyway. custom IEMs are a truly unique experience and are not really like off the shelf IEMs at all. the music is just so "right there". i'm guessing that i'm one of the lucky ones as both of my "ears" seal pretty well. i will lose the seal in my right ear if i open my jaw as wide as possible, but i honestly think i can chew gum and not lose my seal. the isolation on these is absolutely amazing and eerie at the same time. these simply will not work for office use as i found out today. my rather loud phone rang while i was listening at moderate volumes and i simply had no clue. i also found out that these do not quickly pop out to engage in conversation. kind of awkward having someone talking to you and not hearing them while struggling for 30 seconds to take one of the "ears" out. i haven't gone for hours yet, so i don't know the level of fatigue that i will experience, but i do understand that it gets better as you get used to it. thanks to Lisnalee for the 50" cable! i ordered the 64" cable with mine and i find it a bit long. i'll throw up a few obligatory pics later. i'm sure everyone is absolutely dying to see more pics of the super cool red/blue with black combo . that's all for now,
jeff h
post #2629 of 3897
You should be able to pop them out in seconds soon, takes time to practice and get used to them, and for you ears to get used to them.

So you bought that cable? I was thinking about getting that!

Matt
post #2630 of 3897
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Originally Posted by dynagroove View Post
well folks, my much anticipated LiveWires arrived yesterday. i have a feeling that in over 2600 posts in this thread that most things have been covered, but i'll give some brief thoughts anyway. custom IEMs are a truly unique experience and are not really like off the shelf IEMs at all. the music is just so "right there". i'm guessing that i'm one of the lucky ones as both of my "ears" seal pretty well. i will lose the seal in my right ear if i open my jaw as wide as possible, but i honestly think i can chew gum and not lose my seal. the isolation on these is absolutely amazing and eerie at the same time. these simply will not work for office use as i found out today. my rather loud phone rang while i was listening at moderate volumes and i simply had no clue. i also found out that these do not quickly pop out to engage in conversation. kind of awkward having someone talking to you and not hearing them while struggling for 30 seconds to take one of the "ears" out. i haven't gone for hours yet, so i don't know the level of fatigue that i will experience, but i do understand that it gets better as you get used to it. thanks to Lisnalee for the 50" cable! i ordered the 64" cable with mine and i find it a bit long. i'll throw up a few obligatory pics later. i'm sure everyone is absolutely dying to see more pics of the super cool red/blue with black combo. that's all for now,
jeff h
No problem jeff, glad to help out a fellow livewire user

I had the same session trying to get mine out the first couple of times i used them but found the guide Kosmic posted a very quick & easy method of getting them out. (i think its mentioned at the start of this thread)

Basically if you put your finger under the base of your ear and push gently against the livewire it will pop out. If you leave it sort of half out you can have your conversation and then simply push it back in when your finished. It seems to work for some people but not everyone but its worth a try.

There's never enough pics of team red/blue, so keep em coming....


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Originally Posted by Baines93 View Post
You should be able to pop them out in seconds soon, takes time to practice and get used to them, and for you ears to get used to them.

So you bought that cable? I was thinking about getting that!

Matt
You snooze you loose
post #2631 of 3897
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Originally Posted by TStewart422 View Post
OK, another quick update:

I'm driving back to the Nashville office tomorrow to sort some stuff out. The seal on the right side now seems to open whenever I unclinch my jaw. Not a good thing. It's possible that I'm not inserting them right, but I doubt it.

?
I got my impressions done at the Nashville office and had the same problem. The lw's sounded great with my jaw clinched but broke seal with my mouth open. I got new impressions made by an audiologist in Brentwood and mine go a lot deeper and never lose seal.
If they do another impression that is deeper you will probably be set.
post #2632 of 3897
This thread has over one hundred and eleven thousand views. Heavy.

Anyway I got my LWs today. They received my impressions on 12th June, and I paid $25 "Express service" to rush them but used standard shipping IIRC. Maybe it was EMS. Not too bad back to Australia. Art was great to deal with. I never got shipping confirmation, they just popped up on my doorstep so to speak.

The white box they come in is enormous, I was expecting a small IEM size container but this thing would fit my ipod, amp and LWs! Maybe if I had a Nano and Supermicro anyway. It's a good quality container and the size is no problem, will fit spare cables etc. My 5.5G 80GB imod fits in it by itself.

The quality of the IEMs is great, 9/10. Only lost a point for some slight blemishes in the clear shell.

I got clear shells, Red Right plate and Black Left plate (wanted dark blue Left but they don't do it, only light blue which I didn't like pics of).

I got 2 cables, both the short length, one stock and one with the 50ohm resistors.

Isolation is tremendous, very close to ER4 from memory. My fit is undecided, I'll give it a couple days of use. Seal is very dependent on the position of y jaw etc. The sound is very dependent on the fit and seal, even with a good seal a slightly different position changes the frequency response.

The following is all just my quick opinion and isn't necessarily true for LWs in general, also my LWs may sound different to yours . My ears are certainly a different shape

First track was Keith Jarret 's Kholn concert. Very revealing, all the detail is there and they are very sensitive out of the Pico only requiring minimal volume and being slightly audible with zero volume applied. I heard scratching from the Picos pot when turning it which I never heard before. No issues, very quiet and only heard it in a silent room with the music paused but it shows how sensitive these are. I love the Pico, nothing wrong with the pot or anything.

I've now listened to all my standard test tracks and in summary, they aren't perfect, but very good and they do somethings excellently and nothing unacceptably.

What I listened to, some tracks, some bits of albums I know well:

Keith Jarret - Kohln Concert
Dave Brubeck - Take Five
Radiohead - In Rainbows/OK Computer
Michael Jackson - Man in the Mirror ( )
Feist - So sorry / the Park
Bjork - Hunter
Emiliana Torrini - Heartstopper
John Coltrane - At the Village Vanguard
Rostropovich - Cello Suites
White Stripes - De Stijl
Beth Orton - Comfort of Strangers
Chemical Brothers - Surrender
Si Se - More Shine

That's about it so far.

I have 4 hours total on these and the sound may change with time.

Does anyone know if these burn in much?

They will play anything at all, nothing is unlistenable which is great. You could get away with lower bit rate MP3 but the best recordings/great vinyl are rewarded with the extra resolution.

Detail retrieval is very good, they miss nothing.

They don't show any sibilance which is great for most people but I actually prefer to hear it if it's there, which it is on some tracks.
Honesty is the best policy IMO...

Extension is very good up there, but it does roll off gently. Tone is pretty accurate but not perfect, being very slightly lower in pitch than the truth, probably hence the lack of sibilance.

8/10 for treble

Bass does too, it's good but gets weaker as it gets lower. Mostly it's great but does lack slam and impact compared to the big guns like MD5000 or something. This is with a great seal BTW, which of course is crucial to good bass. The bass is very good quality though, certainly fast enough to be accurate and tonally very good. It just lacks the full power of the bottom octave. I am very critical of bass though, I've spoiled with my home systems I guess. For many tracks they play everything exactly as it is, it's only the real testers that catch them out.

I give bass 8.5/10 Edit 5th July - it has gotten deeper now after burn in - 8.8/10

Mids are where music lives of course and here is where my opinion may differ from others as I find them unlike anything I've heard before. Only very subtly, but they are "different" Not sure if that's good or bad yet, haven't decided. Probably neither, just different. I will say they are very engaging with a pretty forward presentation that grabs your attention, maybe the main thing that makes people love LWs?

I'm not 100% convinced of their tonal accuracy, they seem a bit, I don't know how to describe it. Different to other cans anyway. Maybe there is just a hump in the mids but I think it's more than that, they add something. It's not muffled or veiled, mids (male voices mainly) are present and detailed but maybe slightly modified in some way.

Does anyone have any idea what I mean Its a weird thing because the detail is so clear and rich but also the tone is slightly similar for some male voices.

I think that's it, there is a quality to the sound which the LWs add which makes some different sounds seem more alike. {EDIT - After more listening I think I was wrong about that bit} That might sound like a big criticism but I'm not sure it is yet, I'm not upset by it and haven't really defined it yet. I'll think it about it more and write back. Could be a fit issue or something too.

Anyway, it's not bad, in fact very enjoyable. Don't get the wrong idea, it's not a big thing and doesn't affect everything, just a slight weirdness I can't explain at the moment. It's very subtle and I didn't notice it until certain tracks.

For now I'll give mids 7/10. Might change in time. {To 8/10 after 24 hours, I think they have changed a bit and it was largely my recordings anyway. Very happy with the mids now.}


EDIT 5th July. It was mainly the recordings, partly burn in. the mids on these are great, 8.5/10. Sorry for any distress!


http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f103/l...ml#post4424383

Soundsatging is exceptional for an IEM, relatively very accurate/realistic. Not sure how, but they do a great job of it.

9/10

One point is that these do encourage me to turn it up, the music really comes to life at louder levels and that happens with very little movement of the volume pot. Could be a bad thing if you're not careful. They do sound great at lower levels too though. I just get excited and want more volume sometimes. Maybe cause they're new I don't know. You could certainly do some permanent damage with these if not careful.

I plan to make a cable for them too, I have all parts and tools now, just need time. Will make a start on the weekend. the connector of these is brilliant, a master stroke by LW. They are expensive to buy and a pain to terminate but work great. I have to make a few cables and see which sounds best, I am sure that LWs will make differences in cables pretty clear but we'll see. I'm not sure if I'll be able to put a memory wire in there or not. Don't even know what to use for it.

The stock cable is not bad - light and flexible - but I'm sure can be improved. it's fairly microphonic but I wear it over the ear anyway.

Also, I am preferring the +50ohm cable, gives more range from the Pico and quietens surface noise on bad vinyl/noisy recordings.Bass has a bit more impact too. Not heaps but a bit more IMO.

That's all I have time to write now, here's pics:


















This shows the memory wire along the top of the cable:



Shows the end of the memory wire and it's tube:



The 50ohm cable Y splitter. 3 wires in, 4 wires out. Small and light:



The 3 strands from the jack to the Y, they are tightly twisted:



The 50Ohm cable has a straight plug - This is the standard cable right angle plug and splitter:



Connectors and a few wire options in silver and silver plated copper. I think the LWs could do with a little brightening maybe. Will make and listen in the next week. Anyone for blue wires? Let me know J and D :


22G Jena wire. much thicker than standard. might be worth a listen:
post #2633 of 3897
ooh great review steve!!

would you make ES jena cables too?!
post #2634 of 3897
Nice review Steve, can't wait for your custom cables . The only time I thought the mids were weird was on a bad mastered track were the sound stage was squashed (so much for good 'phones with bad mastering). The stuff about male voices sounding the same seems strange on what track(s) did you notice that? Just curious :P
post #2635 of 3897
Nice review. I too long for a darker blue faceplate. Paired with one of your cables, or a clear one, and clear shells, they would look killer.

I would be interested in a price, but im only 15, so i cant be definate until i know. Wish i lived in Aus, i really just want to test one and hear and fell the difference before saving up for a while.

I would like memorey wire if it is possible. Less microphonics would be good, cos even above ear i find microphonics a real nuisance.

Matt
post #2636 of 3897
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Originally Posted by Steven Kelby
Soundsatging is exceptional for an IEM, relatively very inaccurate/realistic. Not sure how, but they do a great job of it.

9/10
Did you mean to say accurate and not inaccurate?

Also, I haven't had trouble with the mids of the LW, but I did have some trouble with the Freq Show. And while a re-fit has made an improvement, the Freq Show are still a little bit more forward than my Livewires. I am guessing it is a fit issue with both brands for some people and their ear canal shape.
post #2637 of 3897
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Originally Posted by slowth View Post
ooh great review steve!!

would you make ES jena cables too?!
Thanks Johann. I didn't really mean it as a review, just wanted to post pics and post some info I had looked for before buying re the quality, express service etc. and got carried away.

Not sure what ES is sorry? I will try some 22G Jena wire with these and maybe mixed with something else but it may be too thick to be comfortable, the great thing with the stock cable is the lightness and flexibility which I don't want to give up too much. Ill see how it sounds though for sure.

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Originally Posted by FrederikS|TPU View Post
Nice review Steve, can't wait for your custom cables . The only time I thought the mids were weird was on a bad mastered track were the sound stage was squashed (so much for good 'phones with bad mastering). The stuff about male voices sounding the same seems strange on what track(s) did you notice that? Just curious :P
Thanks I'm still trying to figure out the mid weirdness I heard, been listening all day. It really isn't any kind of deal breaker and I should have gotten to the bottom of it before posting about it but maybe others have ideas.

I should point out that I haven't been reading this thread and haven't read any reviews of LWs other than one night where I decided I wanted IEMS and had been recommended these by a couple guys so found this thread and was impressed enough to buy them. I'm not up on the general consensus though and don't know what issues and strengths people are generally finding with them. I just haven't had time to read much lately.

The specific tracks that got my attention and made me wonder about the mids were Feist - The Park, White Stripes - I'm Bound to Pack It Up (and go away Oh Yayeay!) Radiohead - Subterranean Homesick Alien. There were no specific parts, it was the whole quality of the vocals for the entire track that sounded unusual to me. There seemed to be something happening with the music that haven't heard before.

This is important - I have listened very closely to Jeff Buckley - Grace today. I doubt anyone knows that album much better than me and it sounded fine in the mids. His voice sounded believable enough, if there was a problem with mids or male vocals I think I would have heard it in this album.

I listened to the above tracks again tonight and they didn't sound as bad. It actually sounds like a function of the singer being very close to the mic.

I do think the LWs have changed their sound slightly in the last 30 hours (they've been playing non-stop, very loud when not in my ears.) The mids have smoothed out/cleared up/balanced out or whatever. I think that the funky mids were exaggerated when they were new, and those things I heard were in the first hour or two. Not a huge change, it wasn't a huge deal anyway, but a big enough difference to notice it when listening to those same tracks now. The mids are still different to how I remember on other cans/speakers but it's not an unpleasant or negative thing, it's engaging and I like the way they sound now, I'm going to give them an extra point for now

My fit/seal hasn't changed, neither have any other components and historically I'm immune to mental burn in . I mean that I know that my ears do get used to a certain thing but I think I can separate that from an actual change in the sound. I have had plenty of new equipment that I loved or hated but the sound hasn't changed on me over time as it surely would if it was all in my head anyway. Ed9 on the other hand, become a different headphone, no one who's been through 400 hours from new is going to argue with that.

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Originally Posted by Baines93 View Post
Nice review. I too long for a darker blue faceplate. Paired with one of your cables, or a clear one, and clear shells, they would look killer.

I would be interested in a price, but im only 15, so i cant be definate until i know. Wish i lived in Aus, i really just want to test one and hear and fell the difference before saving up for a while.

I would like memory wire if it is possible. Less microphonics would be good, cos even above ear i find microphonics a real nuisance.

Matt
I think mine look great, I don't feel as bad about having a black left plate as I thought I would. Also, while searching for something unrelated, I saw a post in another thread (Freqs I think) about someone complaining about theLW connector taking up too much room on the plate so graphics won't fit, and generally being enormous and too bulky. Either they hadn't seen LWs in the flesh, or they are a weirdo, the LW rotating connector is tiny and prefect IMO.

I don't know what a cable will cost me until I find the right one to sound good but it won't be heaps, I'm not a MOT or anything and don't have a business or anything, just make cables for friends on the forum. I'll send a cable around for people to try when I get one done, Ill post here for people to get on the list, or PM me.

I don't want memory wire but some people will, I don't know what it is or where to get it though. I'll try and sort something out. Anyone know what the memory wire is made of?

Microphonics always suck and I'm not sure how to completely remove it but do have one idea to try out, pushing the wires through some fine cotton sleeving.

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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
Did you mean to say accurate and not inaccurate?

Also, I haven't had trouble with the mids of the LW, but I did have some trouble with the Freq Show. And while a re-fit has made an improvement, the Freq Show are still a little bit more forward than my Livewires. I am guessing it is a fit issue with both brands for some people and their ear canal shape.
Hi Larry, yes I did mean Accurate, thanks for picking that up. I found the placement of instruments pretty close to spot on considering they're IEMs. Snare up there, trumpet over there, bass down here etc. Not exactly 3D but there is width and depth to it too.

I think you're right about fit for sure, the angle of exit of the tubes could be pointing somewhere other than straight at my ear drum, and I think that's the case.

I don't dislike the mids, I just found them different to how Ive heard them before.

It could just be because the LWs are so upfront, detailed and revealing and I'm not used to their style.

Also, the standard cable gives more treble I think and the mids sound more normal. The 50 ohm cable gives lower volume, less hiss, bit better bass.

I need to do this with both of them, I think it's a great idea, everyone should try it:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f103/s...sponse-339821/

I do have a good seal too, this works perfect as it should, another vital tool IMO:

Sensaphonics / Seal Test

My fit is a little loose though, I can break it a bit too easily, especially in the left.

I want to try painting them with clear nail polish or acrylic or something in certain spots to make them thicker. I saw a post referencing this but no details. Anyone done it?

I'm not sure where to do it either. I guess I'll have to think carefully and try to build it up in the required spots.

So far I am very happy with these, highly recommended, everyone should have some!

post #2638 of 3897
Hi Steve,

By ES cable i mean the cable used for the westone custom monitors (ES1/2/3) thus the model of the cable.. these cables are also used for the freq and I think also fit the UE custom monitors...
So really quite a big market for these cables, defintely more so than the LW cables..

So perhaps u'd wanna explore the same cable with ES/UE/Freq connectors?
post #2639 of 3897
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Originally Posted by slowth View Post
Hi Steve,

By ES cable i mean the cable used for the westone custom monitors (ES1/2/3) thus the model of the cable.. these cables are also used for the freq and I think also fit the UE custom monitors...
So really quite a big market for these cables, defintely more so than the LW cables..

So perhaps u'd wanna explore the same cable with ES/UE/Freq connectors?
Ah cool thanks. I'm only doing a cable for these because I have them and want to try different cables. Had to buy a bunch of the connectors so will make some cables to get rid of them.

I didn't know Freqs had a removable cable. I am too busy as it is without making hundreds of cables too! Ill leave the ES/UE cables for others to do.

post #2640 of 3897
I see.. makes sense!!

oh so u'll prob just make cables till ur connectors run out? not like con't making them as a service?

haha someone take up the ES/UE project!!

anyway, still awaiting your return PM steve, but take your time!
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