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post #1981 of 3897
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Originally Posted by Kosmic View Post
Thanks FMT, a very good post!

I have a feeling in the coming days, you will discover that Livewires have even more to offer, but you are absolutely right that the Livewires need patience.
X2. Let your ears adjust to them (can take up to a month according to Livewires) and play with your other equipment around them. You may find new things about the sound of your equipment and recordings as well as, as you have indicated in tonight's post, what works for you (which is what all of this is really all about )

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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
I really enjoyed my LiveWires on the bus today, no EQ, with the Pred and 50 ohm cable after my Pred hit that sweet spot. The highs were tamed and beautiful, the bass was nice and full of body, and the mids were wonderful. Delta was just fantastic, and even listening to that of System of a Down, The Killers and Serj Tankian's albums, I found that the mash up of instruments I experienced before was diminished, and replaced with clear, natural and crisp sound instruments, as if each instrument had a purpose in the track...

...To those that have them (especially that of HPA, webbie, filipelli, Kosmic, and any others who provided me with advice and support) - thanks. I feel like I am giving an Oscar speech here, but I really appreciate the patience, advise and support all of you provided through the journey. From what was meant to be a birthday present in January, to a final work of 'Art' (will reference later), it has all been a fun ride.
Glad to be of help and glad you have found what works for you. . BTW, YHPM.

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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
I don't wanna go sleep lol!
Yup. That'd be Livewires. I set myself a "2am and that's it" rule (but that's only because I do need to be up no later than 6am )

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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
Delta Goodrem - Brave Face: this is the first track I use to test any piece of equipement, mainly it is my favaourite song.

She does hit some highs, but what I find with the LiveWires (with other tracks as well), is that when the track is busy - lots of instruments vocals etc - it sounds like all the instruments are just being smashed into each other? Does anyone get what I am talking about.

The chorus of Brave Face really sometimes just doesn't feel right throught the LWs as well, again with the instruments all being thrown at each other.

Webbie - care to comment?
Sorry this took five hours but I had a few nightly family responsiobilities - dinner, playtime, getting child to bed, etc. Aaah, the life of a family man.

First, FMT and I don't always agree on recording production values. I find Delta's latest album to be produced for FM radio airplay - somewhat compressed (what isn't, nowadays) and definitely a 'production' - I'd much prefer a simpler live rendition.

Having said that, I am currently listening to Brave Face through what I regard as one of my better non-electrostatic transportable rigs (at present) - Sony D-NE1 - iBasso D1 DAC (opamp 6241) - Supermicro IV - LWs. I've also tried it swapping in the RSA SR-71 and also without the iBasso (again with both amps). Even just the D-NE1's headphone out.

I agree that the track consist of both quieter (less busy) sections, where the instrumentation and voices are clearly distinct, and busier sections featuring various instruments and a chorus (and effects). As the chorus sections emerge the voices are still distinct, yet the overall mix of a wide arrangement of sounds is in a fairly constrained/tight soundstage, with compression adding to the 'congestion' as FeedMeTrance puts it (this is partly an effect to create the contrasting sudden change to just Delta and simple instrumentation at times - sort of like the way a producer can push just beyond the edge of distortion at times in heavy rock/metal tracks - it's in the name of creating an effect, not creating a true reproduction of an instrument or voice's sound).

I do put this experience with Brave Face, and any similar sections in this Delta album, down to the production values of the recording. That said, I do think it's a track that would benefit from the extra micro detail that the ER4S might show up to provide slightly better placement queues - but that won't help the constrained production I'm afraid.

As a contrast, Brave Face on what I'm using as a home system tonight - Musical Fidelity 3.5 - Woo Audio GES - Sennheisser HE60s - sounds better, but still shows up (even more/worse) the tightly compressed and 'soundstage constrained' nature of the recording.

Sorry, FMT, I like the song and arrangements but the production is not the style I choose for equipment testing. As an example of a well recorded congested track try Toto's “Taint Your World” from their "Falling In Between" album. Loud full on rock that can easilly play as very average 'wall of sound' till you get the right resolving equipment then it's revealed in its full glory (which I take as when it sounds as close as it can to what I heard when they played it in Sydney in 2007 - oh, bliss. ..... Sorry. Back to Livewires discussion, please.).
post #1982 of 3897
Yaa

But sleep means I get to wake up and continue enjoying them. Currently enjoying Rammstein with them. WOW!

Only thing I failed to mention was isolation: still working on the fit, so yeah, but I can hear busses and stuff on softer songs.

Using Bass Booster as well now, as just need that extra kick!

Webbie: I agree on the Delta production comments, the nature of her music, her target audience, there is little emphasis put on the quality of the recording, which really sucks. I know her songs very well and that is why I turn to her music for reference, but it doesn't beat listening to some Toto, or Pink Floyd where recording quality is of importance.
post #1983 of 3897
Wow, I knew i had Toto's Greatest Hits, I share my dads collection as we like the same, and have 5500 tracks (excluding his cd and lp collection), which he gets, and i like. His isnt tagged, mine is fully!

Laptop (Winamp Library) - Toto Greatest Hits --> SM3 --> Livewires

Enjoying it, thanks Webbie!
post #1984 of 3897
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
Using Bass Booster as well now, as just need that extra kick!

Webbie: I agree on the Delta production comments, the nature of her music, her target audience, there is little emphasis put on the quality of the recording, which really sucks. I know her songs very well and that is why I turn to her music for reference, but it doesn't beat listening to some Toto, or Pink Floyd where recording quality is of importance.
Glad you have a good range of music to enjoy, FMT. Getting a real 'discovery' like the LWs working for you can lead to a whole re-experiencing effort with your collection.

BTW, if you're needing Bass Booster you should try a bass-strong amp like the Supermicro IV
post #1985 of 3897
More moolah FMT?

Hahaha. You have a new WTB going at the moment dont you? Now this one maybe!

I can't justify it, like you can somehow.

Matt
post #1986 of 3897
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
Yaa

But sleep means I get to wake up and continue enjoying them. Currently enjoying Rammstein with them. WOW!

Only thing I failed to mention was isolation: still working on the fit, so yeah, but I can hear busses and stuff on softer songs.

Using Bass Booster as well now, as just need that extra kick!

Webbie: I agree on the Delta production comments, the nature of her music, her target audience, there is little emphasis put on the quality of the recording, which really sucks. I know her songs very well and that is why I turn to her music for reference, but it doesn't beat listening to some Toto, or Pink Floyd where recording quality is of importance.
Good to see that it worked out the second time although I will pass on these as I am past having to deal with all the nonsense if they don't work out initially. My question to you is, how do they compare to the Tri10 isolation wise and how is the bass also in comparison?
post #1987 of 3897
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
Hmmm

Really enjoying them atm, warmed up my Pred for 30 mins, and just settling in bed, I don't wanna go sleep lol!

Btw: LiveWire picture thread updated
Hi FMT,

Care to give me a low down on the Livewires-Predator combo? How's the sound signature like?

I'm contemplating to get an amp like the Pred to go with the Livewires....
post #1988 of 3897
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Originally Posted by webbie64 View Post
Glad you have a good range of music to enjoy, FMT. Getting a real 'discovery' like the LWs working for you can lead to a whole re-experiencing effort with your collection.

BTW, if you're needing Bass Booster you should try a bass-strong amp like the Supermicro IV
id love to, but the sheer poor usability of the micro puts me off, the toma/horn/pred are great, look nice, ability to change volume whilst in pocket!

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Originally Posted by Baines93 View Post
More moolah FMT?

Hahaha. You have a new WTB going at the moment dont you? Now this one maybe!

I can't justify it, like you can somehow.

Matt
yeh i wtb an APS cable for my ER4P - but looking to sell my TF10s soon

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Originally Posted by Cecala View Post
Good to see that it worked out the second time although I will pass on these as I am past having to deal with all the nonsense if they don't work out initially. My question to you is, how do they compare to the Tri10 isolation wise and how is the bass also in comparison?
TF10s isolation, with the Shure e2 tips are far better. Period. Bass in the TF10 is much deeper and is better. Period. Remember TF10s are triple and LiveWires are only double. If it was possible to turn the TF10s into customs at a legible price, then we hav a winner. But comfort wise, I prefer the LiveWires, comfort is a big thing for me. The TF10s had the stupid irritating cord, and just felt like I was walking around with two carrots in my ears!

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Originally Posted by hobbit6003 View Post
Hi FMT,

Care to give me a low down on the Livewires-Predator combo? How's the sound signature like?

I'm contemplating to get an amp like the Pred to go with the Livewires....
The combo is good after the Pred hits the sweet spot. But I really think that burnin makes a difference, I have got mine to 550 hours, but 800+ is recommended! It's an intersting mix, and I am going to continue burn in and compare with a Pico to make a final decision.
post #1989 of 3897
What is the length of the cord of Livewires?
post #1990 of 3897
Standard are 50", and you can get a 64" set with your order instead of the 50" for $5, or $33 as a spare.

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o A spare set of standard 50” LiveWires cables - $30.
o A spare set of 64” LiveWires cables - $33. A substitute for original cables - $5 additional with original order.
o A spare set of 50” LiveWires cables with 50-ohm resistors - $38. A substitute for original cables - $10 additional with original order.
Matt
post #1991 of 3897

Soundstage

Sorry FMT, I fogot to ask about soundstage differences between the Tri10s and LWs. Can you test this using Classical music please if you have some.
post #1992 of 3897
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
If it was possible to turn the TF10s into customs at a legible price, then we hav a winner

The TF10s had the stupid irritating cord, and just felt like I was walking around with two carrots in my ears!
I also love the SQ of my TF's, but comfort-wise, true customs are "lots" more confortable! I also agree on the OEM cables - the Westone ES are much better

Custom versions of the TF's are probably something like the UE10 - but at almost $1000, not something I can justify at the moment!

Will
post #1993 of 3897
The LiveWires sound as if everyone in the orchestra has all taken a step back, or to put it easy, I have taken a step away from everyone.

It's a bit wider but I wouldn't say it's extremely different.

For example, listening to Hall of the Mountain King from Peer Gynt, the TF10s lack some detail, with the LiveWires I can hear detail to the sound of fingers sliding, pages turning.

The LiveWires feel more real, as if I were there.

That is probably the best I can explain it atm.
post #1994 of 3897
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
The LiveWires sound as if everyone in the orchestra has all taken a step back, or to put it easy, I have taken a step away from everyone.
Do you mean, the orchestra has gotten closer? Since you say that you can hear the sliding of the hands, and pages turning?
post #1995 of 3897
FMT, just wondering but why are you selling your Tripple Fi's?
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