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post #1966 of 3897
I don't understand why you didn't do open mouth impressions. If I pull on my Livewires and break the seal, I can can make them sound like you described. But, when inserted and left alone, I can't stand having the bass turned up, and the highs are way less piercing than a stock HFI-780 or ER6i
post #1967 of 3897
Yeah, I guess I could put the LiveWires in the more neutrel area, with an emphasis on the highs.

In the end I have 3 different earphones for different reasons:

Triple Fi 10: Great unamped, for when I don't want to carry the amp, but want full big in your face sound
ER4P: For when I just really want to appreciate everything the track has to offer me
LiveWires: A bit of both, but with the added style factor - also a great, great conversation piece.

I do like the LiveWires, I guess I was expecting them to be more toward the SF5Pro sound, and not so harsh. I find that I need the Bass Booster, or Treble Reducer EQ on my iPod to be able to go with these, and I am still messing around with cables and adapters etc. I am keen to secure a Pico to compare the effects of the Amp.

Still, I think also, my ears may be a tad sensitive to the higher frequencies, I will be making a good list of tracks that I can compare highs between ER4 and LiveWires.
post #1968 of 3897
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
Yeah, I guess I could put the LiveWires in the more neutrel area, with an emphasis on the highs.

In the end I have 3 different earphones for different reasons:

Triple Fi 10: Great unamped, for when I don't want to carry the amp, but want full big in your face sound
ER4P: For when I just really want to appreciate everything the track has to offer me
LiveWires: A bit of both, but with the added style factor - also a great, great conversation piece.

I do like the LiveWires, I guess I was expecting them to be more toward the SF5Pro sound, and not so harsh. I find that I need the Bass Booster, or Treble Reducer EQ on my iPod to be able to go with these, and I am still messing around with cables and adapters etc. I am keen to secure a Pico to compare the effects of the Amp.

Still, I think also, my ears may be a tad sensitive to the higher frequencies, I will be making a good list of tracks that I can compare highs between ER4 and LiveWires.
are you sure you are getting a good seal?
post #1969 of 3897
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
I will be making a good list of tracks that I can compare highs between ER4 and LiveWires.

Hmmm. Now which Delta tracks feature the most stunning highs...
post #1970 of 3897
Delta Goodrem - Brave Face: this is the first track I use to test any piece of equipement, mainly it is my favaourite song.

She does hit some highs, but what I find with the LiveWires (with other tracks as well), is that when the track is busy - lots of instruments vocals etc - it sounds like all the instruments are just being smashed into each other? Does anyone get what I am talking about.

The chorus of Brave Face really sometimes just doesn't feel right throught the LWs as well, again with the instruments all being thrown at each other.

Webbie - care to comment?
post #1971 of 3897
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
Delta Goodrem - Brave Face: this is the first track I use to test any piece of equipement, mainly it is my favaourite song.

She does hit some highs, but what I find with the LiveWires (with other tracks as well), is that when the track is busy - lots of instruments vocals etc - it sounds like all the instruments are just being smashed into each other? Does anyone get what I am talking about.

The chorus of Brave Face really sometimes just doesn't feel right throught the LWs as well, again with the instruments all being thrown at each other.

Webbie - care to comment?
What is your Source? It does make a difference! Crummy in, Crummy Out!
post #1972 of 3897
ALAC -> iPod 160GB -> 22g Cryo Line Out -> RSA Predator (toying with the idea of a Pico, and selling the one I dont like)
post #1973 of 3897
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Originally Posted by webbie64 View Post
This perplexes me because it makes me think it's a not-quite-there seal issue (which is why they sound better with jaw shut tight - that shouldn't make that big a difference with a good seal to begin with).

Also I take it that you mean the balance across the spectrum is favouring the highs waaay too much. I've also heard ER4S and I found the extension (the higher highs) to be better than the well sealed Livewires: and, also, found the balance of the ER4S favoured the highs in comparison to the LWs. For me, the LWs are far more neutral across the spectrum, with highs not waaaay too forward/emphasised/high? in the mix.
Thats exactly what i feel about mine.

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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I don't understand why you didn't do open mouth impressions. If I pull on my Livewires and break the seal, I can can make them sound like you described. But, when inserted and left alone, I can't stand having the bass turned up, and the highs are way less piercing than a stock HFI-780 or ER6i
Totally agree. i wish i had a seal like yours Search seal in my review, read the paragraphs, and then if possible, tell me whta you think is wrong. They fit properly in my ear, just dont get the seal or suction feeling. Redip?

I did open and closed impressions. Im not sure which they used, so maybe get them made with the open ones?

Thanks in advance hpa,

Matt
post #1974 of 3897
Ok

After a solid 1 hour listening and playing with: EQ and the use of an Ety P-S adapter I have made some discoveries about myself, my amp and my earphones.

My Amp: for a week I have had the Predator, and whilst I do not think this is a feature of the amp, I notice it takes about 20 mins to hit a sweet spot. This means, as soon as I turn on and go, it sounds mediocre, but after 20 mins it starts to sound really good.

Myself: I have also noticed that my ears have a slight sensitivity toward the higher frequencies, this is less prominent with the ER4Ps, TF10 (with Bass Reducer EQ). The nature of the LiveWires sensitivity and the sheer power of the Predator, give the LiveWires a bit extra, and as mentioned before, when the amp is 'warming up' it usually becomes unbearable at times.

My Earphones: The LiveWires require patience. They will not, and I will challenge this for anyone, sound absolutely perfect straight out of the box. I have found a mix of playing with fits, cable orientation, and burn-in (yes I know) have made differences to me. Whether it was in my mind or not.

So, a day later where do I stand?

I really enjoyed my LiveWires on the bus today, no EQ, with the Pred and 50 ohm cable after my Pred hit that sweet spot. The highs were tamed and beautiful, the bass was nice and full of body, and the mids were wonderful. Delta was just fantastic, and even listening to that of System of a Down, The Killers and Serj Tankian's albums, I found that the mash up of instruments I experienced before was diminished, and replaced with clear, natural and crisp sound instruments, as if each instrument had a purpose in the track.

Whilst still contemplating that in the second round I should have gone for open jaw, requested stems be made longer, I find that I am satisfied (at this point in time) with the product I have got. They look stunning despite the error of leaving the name tag, but they had definitely turned heads on the bus today. I left work with my ER4P today, changed over to LW on the bus, played with EQ and so forth, then found that sweet spot, and finally, 100 days later, experienced what we can call 'the LiveWire effect'.

My advice to those looking to purchase LiveWires: take your time with them. When getting your impressions, chat to your audiologist about them, don't rush any part of the process. Despite having wait times that stem from around 14 days (for those close to the lab), do 30 days for overseas, and upto 100 days like myself, despite $60 taxi rides, incorrect postal addresses, it will be worth it. When you get your LiveWires, as great as it is to expect to be blown away on first hit, don't get that hope high. You ears will have to learn how to deal with these new things in there, your brain will have to understand why you are plugging up your ears, and your ear drums will be subject to a new sound. Let that sink in, play with other aspects of your system, and when you hit that sweet spot, dare I say it, you may experience an eargasm.

To those that have them (especially that of HPA, webbie, filipelli, Kosmic, and any others who provided me with advice and support) - thanks. I feel like I am giving an Oscar speech here, but I really appreciate the patience, advise and support all of you provided through the journey. From what was meant to be a birthday present in January, to a final work of 'Art' (will reference later), it has all been a fun ride.

To LiveWires: John Diles is a great guy, and I will deal with him, despite some communication let downs, and the nature of a businessman, I understand.

But, to Art at LiveWires: thanks for continuing to help me out. The communication set up was fantastic, and the constant customer support I was provided made me a very happy person.

So, where to from here? I am currently subjecting my Predator to nightly burn-ins of 10 hours a night, with some daily use on my commute to work. Tomorrow will be a day I use the LiveWires straight from the iPod's headphone jack, and evaluate the possibility of the LiveWires being my 'go to' earphone when in a rush.

That's all for now, might take some more pics and whatnot, maybe when the Pico comes down we can have some nice 'sexy' pictures of my beautiful toys!

post #1975 of 3897
Great News!

I must play with over the ear orientation. What do you think could influence my seal?

HPA, when you come on, please answer my question in my above post, and the one above in this one. I need some help, and you are very experianced, and i havnt got a reply from JD yet

Matt
post #1976 of 3897
Thread Starter 
Thanks FMT, a very good post!

I have a feeling in the coming days, you will discover that Livewires have even more to offer, but you are absolutely right that the Livewires need patience.

Try out the custom EQ trick for IPOD I mentioned a few posts back. Tweaking the EQ really seems to help find your sweet spot. Keep burning in also.

Enjoy!
post #1977 of 3897
YUP FMT! I agree with Kosmic. For me it wasn't love at first sight or sound...it was a slow growth and developement in the appreciation I had in my livewires. Which make them one of my favorite IEMS of the ones I own and have owned. (UE5c, Se530). If you search my history of posts, you will see periods where I am quiet, because I am 1) listening to other equipment 2) too busy to listen and post. And then randomly, out of the blue, I will post about my LW, because it's like rediscovering music.
post #1978 of 3897
Hmmm

Really enjoying them atm, warmed up my Pred for 30 mins, and just settling in bed, I don't wanna go sleep lol!

Btw: LiveWire picture thread updated
post #1979 of 3897
I wanna Pred

Best i can do currently is a Behringer U Control. Fixes my hiss problem anyhow when unamped, cos my sm3 is only on loan.

Cowon d2 trade should fix my portable hiss problem (if it goes through) and finally i guess a redip will improve my seal, although I need HPA & JD's help first!

EDIT: Just hooked up the SM3 and Lw's, and really enjoying your mix in your sig FMT!
post #1980 of 3897
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
Hmmm

Really enjoying them atm, warmed up my Pred for 30 mins, and just settling in bed, I don't wanna go sleep lol!

Btw: LiveWire picture thread updated
It's a downside unfortunately. Not wanting to sleep, and looking like a panda in the morning.
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