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post #1471 of 3897
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Originally Posted by Elluzion View Post
Again i'll ask this, is it worth it to get a MisterX Mini^3 + LOD for my livewires/ipod 5th gen? I am on the fence here... worth the $125?

i play lossless and 320k...
I think I said earlier, that the LW meshed well with the XP, made by the same maker. I am not sure about the Mini^3.

Ultimately, no one really needs to get an amp..but the ipod 5th internal amp makes the sound straight from the headphone jack kind of cold...the quality from the jack is not the best itself, which is why people opt for the amp.

In the end, you should probably just ask for an amp to borrow to test, or buy and resell. That is the only way you know for sure.
post #1472 of 3897
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Originally Posted by filipelli View Post
I think I said earlier, that the LW meshed well with the XP, made by the same maker. I am not sure about the Mini^3.

Ultimately, no one really needs to get an amp..but the ipod 5th internal amp makes the sound straight from the headphone jack kind of cold...the quality from the jack is not the best itself, which is why people opt for the amp.

In the end, you should probably just ask for an amp to borrow to test, or buy and resell. That is the only way you know for sure.
Ok thanks. I am gonna buy and sell, but if I like it and it warms things up/makes it better, I will definitely keep it


Now i just have to decide what length LOD to get... err
post #1473 of 3897
I think the best way to do the impressions is first open mouth, when your canal is straight and at its biggest, then at around 6 mins, close your mouth into a natural position. I read this somewhere, and it makes sense since if you do closed mouth, there's a good chance the impression material will shrink a bit due to gravity or heat, and there's no way for you fix that. If you start out open mouth, then there will be a lot more impression material that you can compress (when you close your mouth) to have a snug fit with your canal.
post #1474 of 3897
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
powertoold:

I sat still, but did open jaw once or twice as I read in a few threads that this would have helped.

When/if I get new impressions, I am going closed mouth, in a natural position, so just pretend as I normally listen. I want the earphones to fit me when I am in a natural position!

Kosmic: getting the new ones on Monday, it's the earliest available appointment!
Perhaps you should do both. I think your audiologist owes you that much!
post #1475 of 3897
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Originally Posted by filipelli View Post
Perhaps you should do both. I think your audiologist owes you that much!
But then that leaves Livewires with a need for direction on which set to use

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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
Thing is I don't feel them in enough to develop a seal, like if I push them, they go in deeper - safely, not huring, actually more comfy, creating a better seal which really brings out the low end, but then once I let go it pops out, and loses it's nice low end and yeah.

It's the seal - it's not good!
FMT you are almost exactly describing the problem I initially had. Great IEMS if I held them in but once released they soon drifted out, losing seal. I had this issue in the right ear predominantly. For me I used John Dile's first suggestion of having them remake me a set, where they basically made it a slightly bigger and longer mold, which although initially feeling too tight - painfully so for the first couple of days - did settle and become the set I use almost daily now.

If that hadn't worked I would have done the 'open mouth' approach (i.e. follow the UE directions to the letter). I think that would have led to roughly the same result as what Livewires 'guessed' to produce my second (and permanent ) set.

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Originally Posted by Elluzion View Post
Again i'll ask this, is it worth it to get a MisterX Mini^3 + LOD for my livewires/ipod 5th gen? I am on the fence here... worth the $125?

i play lossless and 320k...
FMT will have a different opinion on this (as he has borrowed my better Mini3) but my experience is that:
* there is SQ variation in Mini3 builds; most likely due to the capacitor choices
* my first Mini3 (sourced from FordGTLover) uses Panasonic caps that gave a delightful sound from Day One. My second (sourced from FallenAngel) uses caps that are still changing the sound gradually over time (i.e. benefit from burn in). The overall sound signature of both is the same but the former is just that much clearer and punchy ATM, with the latter 'catching up' over time (In other words the FallenAngel build is excellent, as always, but the caps he used needed time - the Panasonic cap version has worked ideally from Day One).
* the Mini3 SQ is reasonably accurately described in the thread - http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/rev...mpared-214588/.
* IMHO it's better overall than many amps (my Hornets, Toma, etc will shortly be for sale due to lack of use) and I tend to swap between it and my RSA SR-71 for the best quality portable with my Livewires (using FLAC/iRiver H1.xx as source) [For me the Mini3 is more 'open - wider, deeper' in soundstage whereas the SR-71 is warmer overall - I use the Mini3 more during my daily train trips and the SR-71 more for late night listening]
* your experience may differ dependent on the build and, of course, what your source and LOD are actually providing the amp with in the first place.

Hope it works out for you.
post #1476 of 3897
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Originally Posted by powertoold View Post
I can't hear the difference between 130kbps VBR and FLAC, someone ban me from Head-Fi, but before you do that, I get to blind test you
go ahead and blind test me, as long as its my own music (which ive listen and is actually familiar with)... i will be able to tell difference between 128 and 320.

and also, i didnt say that the person needs to be "banned"... im just saying how spending ore money may not be smart, considering that he cant hear any difference.
post #1477 of 3897
yay..



Webbie...

How is your super mini...any thoughts about selling? =) haha.
post #1478 of 3897
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Originally Posted by TSi View Post
go ahead and blind test me, as long as its my own music (which ive listen and is actually familiar with)... i will be able to tell difference between 128 and 320.

and also, i didnt say that the person needs to be "banned"... im just saying how spending ore money may not be smart, considering that he cant hear any difference.
I was just doing the banning thing as sarcasm

When you say "my own" music, do you mean you own the CDs and rip them yourself at 320 and 130 VBR? If they are your own CDs, then try it yourself and tell me if you can hear repeatable differences.
post #1479 of 3897
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Originally Posted by powertoold View Post
I was just doing the banning thing as sarcasm

When you say "my own" music, do you mean you own the CDs and rip them yourself at 320 and 130 VBR? If they are your own CDs, then try it yourself and tell me if you can hear repeatable differences.
yesh, i own the CDS and I've ripped them myself before at lossless (which i use on comp) and 320vbr (portable). ive also done a 128 vs 320 blind test before and there is a difference in clarity and "thickness" of the music.
post #1480 of 3897
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Originally Posted by TSi View Post
yesh, i own the CDS and I've ripped them myself before at lossless (which i use on comp) and 320vbr (portable). ive also done a 128 vs 320 blind test before and there is a difference in clarity and "thickness" of the music.
That's a good way to describe the difference, "thickness". It's very subtle though. I'm not sure I'd be able to spot it every time in a blind test.

** Actually, I think I am placebo'ing it. TSi, what was your score on the blind test?

I'm going to have my roommate blind test me when I get back to school hehe. I want to fit as many "I can't tell the difference" songs as possible on my 2GB nano.
post #1481 of 3897
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Originally Posted by powertoold View Post
That's a good way to describe the difference, "thickness". It's very subtle though. I'm not sure I'd be able to spot it every time in a blind test.
yes, i know what you mean. some songs just dont really seem really "musical" so spotting it everytime would be hard.
post #1482 of 3897
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Originally Posted by powertoold View Post
I was just doing the banning thing as sarcasm

When you say "my own" music, do you mean you own the CDs and rip them yourself at 320 and 130 VBR? If they are your own CDs, then try it yourself and tell me if you can hear repeatable differences.
Yes, I can hear SIGNIFICANT difference. Though it would really depend on what kind of music you listen to.
Most vocals are effected least,
while the instrument like string violin would be greatly degraded by lower bit rates.
Also, the dynamic range of the song is a factor which would be greatly effected by lower bit rates.
This most happens with classical recordings, they got bigger dynamic range to cope with, while POP music may not have this problem. (They are mostly recorded with in narrow dynamic range.)
post #1483 of 3897
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Originally Posted by FeedMeTrance View Post
Thing is I don't feel them in enough to develop a seal, like if I push them, they go in deeper - safely, not huring, actually more comfy, creating a better seal which really brings out the low end, but then once I let go it pops out, and loses it's nice low end and yeah.

It's the seal - it's not good, here is a good seal:



!
But, that's a good seal with a closed mouth. Confused...
post #1484 of 3897
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Originally Posted by webbie64 View Post
But then that leaves Livewires with a need for direction on which set to use



FMT you are almost exactly describing the problem I initially had. Great IEMS if I held them in but once released they soon drifted out, losing seal. I had this issue in the right ear predominantly. For me I used John Dile's first suggestion of having them remake me a set, where they basically made it a slightly bigger and longer mold, which although initially feeling too tight - painfully so for the first couple of days - did settle and become the set I use almost daily now.

If that hadn't worked I would have done the 'open mouth' approach (i.e. follow the UE directions to the letter). I think that would have led to roughly the same result as what Livewires 'guessed' to produce my second (and permanent ) set.



FMT will have a different opinion on this (as he has borrowed my better Mini3) but my experience is that:
* there is SQ variation in Mini3 builds; most likely due to the capacitor choices
* my first Mini3 (sourced from FordGTLover) uses Panasonic caps that gave a delightful sound from Day One. My second (sourced from FallenAngel) uses caps that are still changing the sound gradually over time (i.e. benefit from burn in). The overall sound signature of both is the same but the former is just that much clearer and punchy ATM, with the latter 'catching up' over time (In other words the FallenAngel build is excellent, as always, but the caps he used needed time - the Panasonic cap version has worked ideally from Day One).
* the Mini3 SQ is reasonably accurately described in the thread - http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/rev...mpared-214588/.
* IMHO it's better overall than many amps (my Hornets, Toma, etc will shortly be for sale due to lack of use) and I tend to swap between it and my RSA SR-71 for the best quality portable with my Livewires (using FLAC/iRiver H1.xx as source) [For me the Mini3 is more 'open - wider, deeper' in soundstage whereas the SR-71 is warmer overall - I use the Mini3 more during my daily train trips and the SR-71 more for late night listening]
* your experience may differ dependent on the build and, of course, what your source and LOD are actually providing the amp with in the first place.

Hope it works out for you.
Wow thanks for all of that info, the MisterX Mini^3 i got had only 2 hours on it, so fairly new, probably needs some burn in. Also i got an LOD for my ipod, I got the length to be 3 feet, Thats a long LOD! lol. But it makes sense because I can have amp in 1 pocket, LOD in the other and not have to hold 1 clunky thing.

can't wait. Too bad I will get the LOD and Amp before my Livewires :-(
post #1485 of 3897
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Originally Posted by killkli View Post
Yes, I can hear SIGNIFICANT difference. Though it would really depend on what kind of music you listen to.
Most vocals are effected least,
while the instrument like string violin would be greatly degraded by lower bit rates.
Also, the dynamic range of the song is a factor which would be greatly effected by lower bit rates.
This most happens with classical recordings, they got bigger dynamic range to cope with, while POP music may not have this problem. (They are mostly recorded with in narrow dynamic range.)
Yes, I tried it with classical music... can't hear a repeatable difference. Keep in mind I'm talking about Lame VBR 130kbps.

Anyway, I'm getting this off topic. I'm sure it has been analyzed to death on Head-Fi somewhere.
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