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post #46 of 177
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Wow. I'm surprised of the huge difference between both my transports now. Cary used to always sound louder than my computer. But now my computer sounds louder than Cary because the fat Valhalla adds fake heaviness to the sound. If the sound is fuller it also sounds louder.

I like to listen more to my computer than to the tweaked Cary. Just because the computer is edgier and heavier with a blacker background.

My Cary transport + tweaks are $13 000+ and my computer only has the fat Valhalla for $3000. Valhalla power cord + computer gives $10 000 in savings.

Fat Valhalla doesn't work without a crappy transport, using fat Valhalla with Cary just makes it too heavy and warm. But with edgy computer it works good, the more jitter the better! Computer + fat Valhalla is a great combination, it gives the whitest, blackest and heaviest sound. The lack of low-level detail compared to Cary still doesn't bother me.

If I would build a system from scratch I would buy Valhalla power cord for the crappiest computer I can find. Then I would cut the Valhalla in half and use each cable for the live and neutral signals.
computer doesn't have jitter, as far as i know. It has error correction, that is mainly why cheap computer drives can sound as good as very expensive cdplayers, if you use a good dac. One of the reasons why rega is using computer drives in the new apollo and saturn cdplayers, they have error correction, same as the meridian g08!
post #47 of 177
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
Wow. I'm surprised of the huge difference between both my transports now. Cary used to always sound louder than my computer. But now my computer sounds louder than Cary because the fat Valhalla adds fake heaviness to the sound. If the sound is fuller it also sounds louder.

I like to listen more to my computer than to the tweaked Cary. Just because the computer is edgier and heavier with a blacker background.

My Cary transport + tweaks are $13 000+ and my computer only has the fat Valhalla for $3000. Valhalla power cord + computer gives $10 000 in savings.

Fat Valhalla doesn't work without a crappy transport, using fat Valhalla with Cary just makes it too heavy and warm. But with edgy computer it works good, the more jitter the better! Computer + fat Valhalla is a great combination, it gives the whitest, blackest and heaviest sound. The lack of low-level detail compared to Cary still doesn't bother me.

If I would build a system from scratch I would buy Valhalla power cord for the crappiest computer I can find. Then I would cut the Valhalla in half and use each cable for the live and neutral signals.
Most campanies don't wanna make the best thing possible but wanna make money. That's why you find so many compromises these days. If you wanna go the whole 18 holes, you gotta pay serious money!
post #48 of 177
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Message for Nordost!

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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
Actually, they might try a thickness of silverplating between the valhalla and the valkyrja.

They have a new top end IC cable now, only 18.000 dollars or so.

I wonder how much better that cable is compared to the valhalla or the valkyrja. In respect to that price, valkyrja or valhalla al of a sudden seem cheap!
The Valkyrja has 60 microns silver plating and Valhalla has 78 microns. With 27cm Valkyrja + 15cm Valhalla it gets 66.43. I would like a little colder sound than that. Maybe 66.6 microns silver plating is the best. They should give the cable a red color for a bigger effect. Then they would name it 'Nordost 666' that is fighting against all the Norse Gods. It would use the same Dual Micro Mono-Filaments as Odin but without the expensive shielding and multiple conductors. Just a single conductor for each signal.

This is what I want:

22awg
66.6 microns silver plating
Dual Micro Mono-Filaments inside Teflon
Red filaments
No shielding or connectors
Bulk wiring of single conductor
$666 per meter
post #49 of 177
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
The Valkyrja has 60 microns silver plating and Valhalla has 78 microns. With 27cm Valkyrja + 15cm Valhalla it gets 66.43. I would like a little colder sound than that. Maybe 66.6 microns silver plating is the best. They should give the cable a red color for a bigger effect. Then they would name it 'Nordost 666' that is fighting against all the Norse Gods. It would use the same Dual Micro Mono-Filaments as Odin but without the expensive shielding and multiple conductors. Just a single conductor for each signal.

This is what I want:

22awg
66.6 microns silver plating
Dual Micro Mono-Filaments inside Teflon
Red filaments
No shielding or connectors
Bulk wiring of single conductor
$666 per meter
Thaught 666 was the sign of the devil, not sure it is a Nordic god though.

The IC could be so mean, it burns your rig down.

Apperently they didn't listen to you and made the odin with multiple strands.
post #50 of 177
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Thaught 666 was the sign of the devil, not sure it is a Nordic god though.

The IC could be so mean, it burns your rig down.

Apperently they didn't listen to you and made the odin with multiple strands.
Yes, the cable will be so mean it doesn't let you leave. It will keep you listening forever!


I just realized why Valhalla interconnect sounds so cold, it's because Valhalla means "Hall of the slain", and burial places are cold!
post #51 of 177
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Yes, the cable will be so mean it doesn't let you leave. It will keep you listening forever!


I just realized why Valhalla interconnect sounds so cold, it's because Valhalla means "Hall of the slain", and burial places are cold!
Thank god you didn't loose your sense of humor.
post #52 of 177
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Apperently they didn't listen to you and made the odin with multiple strands.
It's because they want to make the most money possible, and when using multiple conductors they get that.

With a single 22awg conductor for the interconnect I get more revealing sound. It can sound both thin or heavy depending on the tweaks for the source.
post #53 of 177
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It's because they want to make the most money possible, and when using multiple conductors they get that.

With a single 22awg conductor for the interconnect I get more revealing sound. It can sound both thin or heavy depending on the tweaks for the source.
Does laying books on the source makes the sound thicker/heavy?
post #54 of 177
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Does laying books on the source makes the sound thicker/heavy?
Yes, the more books I put on top of the DAC the heavier and thicker the music sounded. 3-4 books seems to be good enough. I tried more books but didn't hear a further improvement.

Without any books it sounded thin and open. Maybe the book tweak only works with Magix levitation feet, maybe the component gets more level on top of the Magix discs.

post #55 of 177
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Yes, the more books I put on top of the DAC the heavier and thicker the music sounded. 3-4 books seems to be good enough. I tried more books but didn't hear a further improvement.

Without any books it sounded thin and open. Maybe the book tweak only works with Magix levitation feet, maybe the component gets more level on top of the Magix discs.

I use the quadraspire's now and i actually might try something heavy on the cdplayer and listen if it sounds different. The quadraspire had quite an effect on the sound of the cdplayer.
post #56 of 177
how do you change CDs. the entire player is wrapped in ERS paper.

also, between heavier/thicker and thin/open, neither sound ideal. i just ordered some cardas myrtle blocks to use under my G08. i am curious how that will affect the sound.

any predictions?
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how do you change CDs. the entire player is wrapped in ERS paper.

also, between heavier/thicker and thin/open, neither sound ideal. i just ordered some cardas myrtle blocks to use under my G08. i am curious how that will affect the sound.

any predictions?
Probable sound woody.
post #58 of 177
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Originally Posted by vcoheda View Post
how do you change CDs. the entire player is wrapped in ERS paper.

also, between heavier/thicker and thin/open, neither sound ideal. i just ordered some cardas myrtle blocks to use under my G08. i am curious how that will affect the sound.

any predictions?
I dunno what kind of blocks these are but the quadraspire feet opened up themids, the voices got more air and the soundstage opened up a little, the bass is tighter and deeper.

patrick,

i tried 2 heavy books on my cdplayer and it sounded muffled, not as detailed anymore as it was without the books. so appernetly with the quadraspire feet, putting more weight on it doesn't improve sound.

I was thinking about your levitation feet;

if you put more weight on, don't they go down all the way to a point they do't levitate anymore, i meanthere is a limited weight it can handle.

it could be that the levitation doesn't work anymore and you kinda have normal feet.
post #59 of 177
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Originally Posted by LawnGnome View Post
Probable sound woody.
No, really under my cdplayer, the quadraspire feet really work. And they are just 35 quit for 4 feet as well, so not that expensive.
post #60 of 177
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how do you change CDs. the entire player is wrapped in ERS paper.
There's only an amp and DAC on that picture. I use Cary CD transport or computer to change the album.

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also, between heavier/thicker and thin/open, neither sound ideal. i just ordered some cardas myrtle blocks to use under my G08. i am curious how that will affect the sound.
The heavier/thicker sound has more low-level detail and dynamics. It is better in every way.

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I dunno what kind of blocks these are but the quadraspire feet opened up themids, the voices got more air and the soundstage opened up a little, the bass is tighter and deeper.

patrick,

i tried 2 heavy books on my cdplayer and it sounded muffled, not as detailed anymore as it was without the books. so appernetly with the quadraspire feet, putting more weight on it doesn't improve sound.
When I first tried books I was using P300 Power Plant which gave muddier sound, and I needed to compensate for it by adding edginess to the sound. I wasn't able to put all the books on until I removed the P300 Power Plant. It sounded like more books was more neutral but it was too dark so I couldn't use it. Without the books there was more midrange emphasis and more surface brightness which gives the illusion of surface detail, but there wasn't any low-level detail.


This is what I said 4 months ago:
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I experimented with placing books on top of my DAC1, I heard huge differences. 1000 pages sounded too open, and 2300 pages sounded too heavy and dark. I'm using 1600 pages now.
Mass damping with books sounds more neutral to me now, it is better in every way. It's not like the fake dynamics from fat Valhalla power cord. Books add true low-level detail while the Valhalla removes low-level detail.

The same is true with EMI shielding and power conditioning. If the system already sounds warm, then fixing EMI, AC noise and vibration problems will make it sound too warm and muddy. For a long time I didn't like PS Audio Noise Harvester, it wasn't in the signal path so it didn't worsen the sound at all, it just removed noise from the apartment wiring. It made the detail less apparent. When I removed the Harvester it sounded edgier and faster, I liked that more. But now it is obvious to me that less noise in the apartment wiring makes the components work more like they should. It sounds worse but it's more neutral.

The reason high-end gear sound better when plugged into the wall is because the AC noise compensates for the muddiness of the high-end gear.

Benchmark DAC1 sounds bright when plugged into the wall because that's how it should sound. When you fix the EMI, AC noise and vibration problems you hear neutral sound with more low-level detail than from high-end gear. Fixing noise problems with high-end gear doesn't make the component work worse, it makes it work like it should. But the end result doesn't sound as good because there isn't any edginess to compensate for the extra warmth.

Vibration and EMI are those I would fix first because they don't add weaknesses to the sound. Power conditioning adds weaknesses and you would need to compensate for it by adding EMI or vibration to the sound which results in less low-level detail.

The only power conditioner that gave brighter and faster sound than the wall was Premier Power Plant. It also gave dynamics and low-level detail.

I use a DAC and amp that are made for professional use, Benchmark DAC1 and ICEpower. The measured performance is what I care about. High-end gear are warmer than neutral because they are made for music listening. They are made to be plugged into the wall. But the overall performance is worse when using tweaks that fix the problems.


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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
I was thinking about your levitation feet;

if you put more weight on, don't they go down all the way to a point they do't levitate anymore, i meanthere is a limited weight it can handle.

it could be that the levitation doesn't work anymore and you kinda have normal feet.
Yes. I use as many books as I can. If the Magix were stronger I would be using a lot more books. I spend a long time fine tuning the weight and position of the Magix.
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