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post #46 of 63
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Originally Posted by Riboge View Post
That is so ridiculously not analogous to what we have been speaking of that you, if you were capable of it, should be ashamed of yourself. In the unlikely case it needs to be explained to you, you have tried out the sunrise 1000's of times before and have that knowledge to call on in predicting what will happen tomorrow. You have never tried out Codename Turquoise before, so have nothing to base any knowing on.

However, inductive proofs, e.g., of the certainty of tomorrow's sunrise because it has always risen, have been known for literally ages to be imperfect logically. So indeed the next sunrise can only be said to be extremely likely even though its appearance has a perfect record so far. You can imagine events that have greater than zero probability that would cause it not to 'rise,' e.g., ones that would stop the earth's revolving or change the orientation of its axis or destroy the sun.
I think this demonstrates the quality of your purchase best: you need to assume the position of radical skepticism and assume the radical impossibility of all knowledge in order to allow for the possibility that something you have bought actually works.
post #47 of 63
I saw this up on a'gon in an auction ... no bids and $2 starting. I actually thought about buying it ... Placibo or not, even if it did bupkis and I *thought* it did something that's an inexpensive tweak. That being said I ain't buying the "little clock," the "phone tweak," or the "magic pebbles."

There are actually white papers (real scientific ones, not the "Machina Dynamica 'White Papers'") on the benefits of immersing the surface area of a CD/DVD with blue light -- essentially it improves the laser pick up. YBA has a patent on blue light immersion for their CD players.

I actually wondered if somehow the "ambient" light created by reflection off of this turquoise paper would create some residual benefit -- not from absorbing light (as the add suggests) but from reflecting it in this blue color.
post #48 of 63
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Originally Posted by Girardian View Post
I saw this up on a'gon in an auction ... no bids and $2 starting. I actually thought about buying it ... Placibo or not, even if it did bupkis and I *thought* it did something that's an inexpensive tweak. That being said I ain't buying the "little clock," the "phone tweak," or the "magic pebbles."

There are actually white papers (real scientific ones, not the "Machina Dynamica 'White Papers'") on the benefits of immersing the surface area of a CD/DVD with blue light -- essentially it improves the laser pick up. YBA has a patent on blue light immersion for their CD players.

I actually wondered if somehow the "ambient" light created by reflection off of this turquoise paper would create some residual benefit -- not from absorbing light (as the add suggests) but from reflecting it in this blue color.
Do you have any links to any of these "real scientific" white papers?

Thanks.
post #49 of 63
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Originally Posted by Girardian View Post
There are actually white papers (real scientific ones, not the "Machina Dynamica 'White Papers'") on the benefits of immersing the surface area of a CD/DVD with blue light -- essentially it improves the laser pick up. YBA has a patent on blue light immersion for their CD players.
I used to work as a patent examiner, and I have to comment real quick about this.

35USC101 is basically basically the bedrock for what constitutes a valid patent. It states:

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Whoever invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof, may obtain a patent therefor, subject to the conditions and requirements of this title.
The definition of "useful" that is used is the most broad possible, in the sense that the invention can be used or has some use. In other words, that the invention, if built as the patent specifies, actually can be built.

As a consequence, even if the invention does not do what it claims it does, as long as it is an invention meeting the criteria of a patentable improvement, it gets a patent.

I worked specifically in security. I saw a lot of things that came across my desk that were quite insecure. The problem is even though they were incredibly insecure, they did qualify for a patent because there was no prior art out there and the improvement was nonobvious, even if the reason it was nonobvious was because it was incredibly stupid.

Don't take the fact something is patented as proof of its validity. It's not.
post #50 of 63
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
Ad hominem attack. Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you backstage.

NEXT!
Steve
You call my citing basic science 101 to you "BS" and then say that it's ME who is ad hominem?!! This gotcha post shows you are only interested in provoking and not rational discourse. I am outa here if others permit this obstructive and counterproductive stuff to go on.
post #51 of 63
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
Ad hominem attack. Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you backstage.

NEXT!
Steve
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Originally Posted by fwojciec View Post
I think this demonstrates the quality of your purchase best: you need to assume the position of radical skepticism and assume the radical impossibility of all knowledge in order to allow for the possibility that something you have bought actually works.
This is such a misreading of what I wrote which is about the smug certainty of the 'skepticism' and 'knowing' expressed by the perennial trolls about things heard but not appearing readily on an oscilloscope. I haven't purchased anything from MD and have indicated that I find it unlikely what they offer has merit. I just admit that I can't KNOW it for sure without trying it or accepting the reports of acceptable surrogates who have methodically tried it.
post #52 of 63
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Originally Posted by Riboge View Post
You call my citing basic science 101 to you "BS" and then say that it's ME who is ad hominem?!! This gotcha post shows you are only interested in provoking and not rational discourse. I am outa here if others permit this obstructive and counterproductive stuff to go on.
Whoa, whoa...

Breathe, just breathe...


I can just barely spell spell "obstructive and counterproductive"...

Now, come on, if you enter into a thread with "Macnina Dynamica" as part of the title you had to expect this kind of stuff, right?

Don't let this stiff get to you, there will always be idiots when it comes to audiophilia... that doesn't make the hobby any less worthwhile.
post #53 of 63
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Originally Posted by LawnGnome View Post
Then maybe you should focus on your reading comprehension.

Because you obviously did not understand my post at all.

WE DO NOT see the earth move around the sun. We observe the effects of the earth moving around the sun, and from that we can extrapolate that it does in fact move around the sun, even without actually seeing it move around the sun.

This is relevant to you saying people have not tried this tweak.

Because we do not actually need to use the product. We can use our reasoning to determine it is BS.
I understand your post perfectly well. Nonetheless, you observe the earth move around the sun every day as the sun is seen in various positions. What you don't 'directly' observe is THAT it moves around the sun, i.e., how to interpret what you observe. But then one never does.

Second, your idiotic reposte pretends not to know that we have a community of knowledge whereby under specified conditions we use the observations and experiments of others when reported with rigor as a substitute for our own direct observation lest we all be required to constantly reinvent the wheel and every other thing. Astronauts have observed it directly, for whatever that's worth, and so have you if you've ever watched the shadow of the earth move across the face of the moon during a lunar eclipse (how's your reading ability?).

Someone or one's self needs to observe/listen to the codename turquoise methodically and scientifically and report on whether there is a repeatable and reproduceable improvement or not before ANYONE can say he KNOWs it's so, regardless of the fact that it seems so unlikely to most. The unfounded extrapolation from the worthlessness of other MD devices that work differently if at all on different things in different ways is nothing like the deduction (not extrapolation) of an orbit from other sound observations of celestial bodies.

Again I say, these anti-intellectual, ill-informed and childishly unthinking repostes ruin these threads, undermine the useful conveyance of ideas and information by those who have a background to offer them to other readers. I will not participate further if other readers do not speak up to counter this. Yes I know some may welcome this. Your loss.
post #54 of 63
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Originally Posted by Riboge View Post
I will not participate further if other readers do not speak up to counter this. Yes I know some may welcome this. Your loss.
Wow...

How is "Waaaa, guys I'm LEAVING if you keep this up!" supposed to be persuasive at all? Why would we care if you left? Talk about childish right there.

And I thought it was common knowledge that MD was a joke. Learn somethin' new every day.
post #55 of 63
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Originally Posted by Riboge View Post
I am outa here if others permit this obstructive and counterproductive stuff to go on.
Sorry if I made you cry.

See ya
Steve
post #56 of 63
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Originally Posted by Riboge View Post
I will not participate further if other readers do not speak up to counter this. Yes I know some may welcome this. Your loss.
OMG... leave already. If you can't participate, then dont.
post #57 of 63
Forget it. That's it. After seeing the website. Wow, just, wow.

The insanity of their products befuddles me. It absolutely befuddles me.
post #58 of 63
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Originally Posted by Girardian View Post
There are actually white papers (real scientific ones, not the "Machina Dynamica 'White Papers'") on the benefits of immersing the surface area of a CD/DVD with blue light -- essentially it improves the laser pick up. YBA has a patent on blue light immersion for their CD players.

I actually wondered if somehow the "ambient" light created by reflection off of this turquoise paper would create some residual benefit -- not from absorbing light (as the add suggests) but from reflecting it in this blue color.
Was this used for both their CD and DVD players or just for the DVD players? I wonder because lots of blue light in a DVD player would cancel out the yellow light from the laser, but why would you use blue light on a CD player which has a red laser? Wouldn't you want to use green light?
post #59 of 63
I have the perfect product!!!11

Check This out. The flames from that lighter, combined with the combustion of $100 US bills creates and special vapors that, when blown over the pcb's of your audio equipment, transform all circuit traces to silver (or at least, it looks like silver, this hasn't been tested.... but it SOUNDS 500% BETTER. This is called the silver smoke method, and it was just released after being in R&D for 2 years.

I know, I know, this is just a half measure. The real progress happens when you add machina dynamica's blue paper to your cdp. Its in combination with other methods though, like the silver smoke method, that codename turquoise really shine.
post #60 of 63
Thread Starter 
As this thread thrashes convulsively (and with questionable degrees of success), I continue to enjoy the audible (and visual) improvements wrought by "Codename Turquoise."

Grant it, I could probably go to Michael's, buy some cheap green paper and rubber cement, apply to my DVD tray and notice a more decided improvement (i.e. than C.T.), but at least my curiosity is sated--and the music sounds better and the video looks better just the same. : )

I have some left over, probably enough to treat another player, if anyone is interested.
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