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post #16 of 78
The k-701s are VERY GOOD, highly enjoyable and a steal at their price point, and they scale up very well with what upstream gear are fed them!!! Without pissin' on anyones parade interjecting what is Hi-Fi or Mid-Fi by pointing out their comparison to other levels of price points closer to the 1k mark with the necessity of 2k or better gear to drive them, the K701s are a remarkable achievement and easily more relatively affordable fronted with a 1k system...

Listening to the Deads Shakedown Street at the moment thru the k701s , remembering the LIVE event, in better clarity than when I danced to their tunes in the '70s- early '80s...... A teleporter sonic time machine, talk about a, "You are there" experience

But,But its a mid-fi sonic time machine ...LMAO

Enjoy the tunes and your new cans, pfloding
post #17 of 78
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Seems that that "high-end" thing is a contentious area.
I guess I should have said my "first good" phones. Apart from my UM2 IEM's which are not bad.
post #18 of 78
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
He he.. I'm talking about headphones.. If you think the 701s are on par with true Hi fi headphones like the L3000/R10/Q10/ Omegas/He90 be my guest..

No headphone is flawless.. I owned the 701s & listened to the 1000 at a meet. The 1000 are on a another level..
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Originally Posted by pfloding View Post
Seems that that "high-end" thing is a contentious area.
I guess I should have said my "first good" phones. Apart from my UM2 IEM's which are not bad.

The K-701 IS AKGs "in production" "High End" "Hi-Fidelity" Headphone!

Some people purposely confuse their lines of definition as to what constitutes Hi-Fi or Mid-Fi or "High End" in their ulterior motive of elitism of their presently owned gear, or worst yet other phones they heard of, or heard once, IMO.

However, by any objective definition, the K-701 IS both a Hi-Fidelity headphone and AKGs presently offered High End Headphone.

Of course, there are more expensive phones, and the elite status of only those few cans could be argued to be THE high end. Along with price as usual, they convey greater resolution and sonic refinements to the presentation which some audiophiles can identify and appreciate presupposing the proper upstream gear and recordings.

However, what is High - Fidelity and what is High - End are two different and distinct terms both of which apply to AKGs k701s as being their present in production "High End", "High Fidelity" headphone offering!
post #19 of 78
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Originally Posted by Mindless View Post
Live levels? What does that mean? 90dB+?
OK, I took my SPL meter and stuck it through a piece of cardboard and held against one earcup.

It showed around 85dB A-weighed on the setting that gave the highest figure (it has fast and slow averaging, I used fast). I assume the peaks where a bit higher -this was dense music by Vangelis, so I think the peaks weren't much higher than the average -perhaps 5 dB more.

BTW, now my C-moy type amp suddenly sounds good, after breaking in the phones using the mixer! More bass extension with the little portable amp than the mixer now! My G1 nano and the portable amp sound pretty good now. Certainly not feeling as if the cans are too much to drive. Good extension, and a full sound! (Sound level with the unamped nano is pathetic, though -if still balanced in frequency.)

I just like these phones more and more as they break in!
post #20 of 78
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Here is a tip if that rather hard top cushion under the headband presses on a single spot (it did for me): Just bend the thick leather right at the top so more of the cushions comes into contact with your head! (I must have a pointy head, or a ridge, or something.)

I have three cushions in contact with the head now, which is a major improvement! (Still, it is a funny design. Might try to get a different headband.)
post #21 of 78
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Originally Posted by Hi-Finthen View Post
The K-701 IS AKGs "in production" "High End" "Hi-Fidelity" Headphone!

Some people purposely confuse their lines of definition as to what constitutes Hi-Fi or Mid-Fi or "High End" in their ulterior motive of elitism of their presently owned gear, or worst yet other phones they heard of, or heard once, IMO.

However, by any objective definition, the K-701 IS both a Hi-Fidelity headphone and AKGs presently offered High End Headphone.

Of course, there are more expensive phones, and the elite status of only those few cans could be argued to be THE high end. Along with price as usual, they convey greater resolution and sonic refinements to the presentation which some audiophiles can identify and appreciate presupposing the proper upstream gear and recordings.

However, what is High - Fidelity and what is High - End are two different and distinct terms both of which apply to AKGs k701s as being their present in production "High End", "High Fidelity" headphone offering!

So True. Just cause someone owns a Bentley does not mean a Lexus is not a luxury sedan.

K701 and other headphones in their price range and sound are indeed HIFI. The L3000, K1000, HP1000 and such are luxury items. They are made for completely different consumer. Not just someone who wants great sound, but also the prestige or as you said its about elitism. Its the same as the person who buys a corvette vs a person who buys a ferrari. Ferraris are not just a sports car, but a luxury item, on the privileged can afford and want the prestige.

At least that's what I think. The average consumer of headphones doesn't even spend 100 Dollars. Hell I know plenty of people who have never bought headphones. Just use whatever their mp3/cd player came with. So paying the 300-350 for K701 is indeed in my mind HIFI.

Especially as Finthen has said, this is the HIFI, High End phone currently made by AKG. Sennheiser's 650 is indeed their High End HIFI Headphone in production. And I believe we can all agree AKG and Sennheiser are among the most well known of the High Fidelity Headphone manufacturers. Not many people know Denon, other than their receivers. I haven't met anyone person to person that knows Beyerdynamic, or Grado. But say Sennheiser, Oh they make really expensive high end headphones is the response, like Porsche, everyone knows Porsche.
post #22 of 78
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Originally Posted by vcoheda View Post
recabled and properly amped, the k701 is a top headphone - huge sound stage, great detail, nice focused bass. it sounds as good as any i have heard. i am listening to them right now and they can seem to do no wrong. they sound very good single ended, but balanced definitely takes them up a notch or two. a great headphone to own and to have as your system grows.
I agree with you entirely. I'm listening with a modest amp at the moment but would be curious to listen to them with a nice amp behind them.
post #23 of 78
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I have ordered a Little Dot MK I now. I was interested in the TPA6120, and this seems a good way to try it with no effort!
post #24 of 78
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Popped a new 9V battery into my cmoy-type amp today. Guess I should have done that earlier!

The sound is absolutely superb now!

Third most astonishing thing is that a headphone can sound this good. But, OK, it's top-of-the-line, if still relatively cheap.

Second most astonishing thing is that a cmoy (if improved upon) can sound this good.

But most astonishing is actually that my G1 nano sounds this good -with a little help! I didn't know it could!

Listening to Mozart Symphonies 40 and 41 at the moment. The Clash sounded good too.
post #25 of 78
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Originally Posted by Ruckus View Post
So True. Just cause someone owns a Bentley does not mean a Lexus is not a luxury sedan.

K701 and other headphones in their price range and sound are indeed HIFI. The L3000, K1000, HP1000 and such are luxury items. They are made for completely different consumer. Not just someone who wants great sound, but also the prestige or as you said its about elitism. Its the same as the person who buys a corvette vs a person who buys a ferrari. Ferraris are not just a sports car, but a luxury item, on the privileged can afford and want the prestige.

At least that's what I think. The average consumer of headphones doesn't even spend 100 Dollars. Hell I know plenty of people who have never bought headphones. Just use whatever their mp3/cd player came with. So paying the 300-350 for K701 is indeed in my mind HIFI.

Especially as Finthen has said, this is the HIFI, High End phone currently made by AKG. Sennheiser's 650 is indeed their High End HIFI Headphone in production. And I believe we can all agree AKG and Sennheiser are among the most well known of the High Fidelity Headphone manufacturers. Not many people know Denon, other than their receivers. I haven't met anyone person to person that knows Beyerdynamic, or Grado. But say Sennheiser, Oh they make really expensive high end headphones is the response, like Porsche, everyone knows Porsche.
& the 701s are in that class of SQ IYO? Yes, currently Sen 650 & the AKG 701 are their hi end offerings..(Helps to sell too) I just think if you throw in cans like the 650/701's in with the HE60/90/R10 as truly hi end, it dumbs it down a bit, unless you consider those ultra hi end which I wouldn't really have a problem with.. In the grand scheme of things I don't see my 650's or my SA5000 as hi end compared to whats truly out there..
post #26 of 78
If a K701 is to a Lexus as a K1000 is to a Bentley, does the K1000 not run circles around the K701 still? I don't follow the analogy. You're correct in assuming only a very small demographic can afford the R10, HE90, OII, etc. but if these are Ferrari equivalents, who in their right mind would ever have the notion their Nissan or Honda could begin to compete? Both headphones reproduce music and both cars get you from A to B, but the rides in either case are inherently quite different.

K701's offer a very nice performance to dollar ratio, and sure, they sound dang good -even better through nice gear- but let's not kid ourselves.
post #27 of 78
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Originally Posted by khbaur330162 View Post
If a K701 is to a Lexus as a K1000 is to a Bentley, does the K1000 not run circles around the K701 still? I don't follow the analogy. You're correct in assuming only a very small demographic can afford the R10, HE90, OII, etc. but if these are Ferrari equivalents, who in their right mind would ever have the notion their Nissan or Honda could begin to compete? Both headphones reproduce music and both cars get you from A to B, but the rides in either case are inherently quite different.

K701's offer a very nice performance to dollar ratio, and sure, they sound dang good -even better through nice gear- but let's not kid ourselves.
I bet you they K701 beat the K1000 in the bass department?

Anyway, who cares?
A Lexus is good enough for me.
post #28 of 78
^ Never had the pleasure of auditioning a pair of K1k's, however, both the K701 and K1000's are known for a rather light-hearted bass department. YMMV in that I found my old K701's to be rather snappy with quick, with well behaved bass. I can't put it any better than that. They aren't light on the bass, imo, just well behaved. K1000's are a bit notorious for being lean on the bass, but, as I've read, this is usually the product of insufficient amplification. It'd be a tough call.

And hey, I've got a pair of CD3000's which sound so good they bring tears to my eyes. Don't let the price tag of any headphone fool you.
post #29 of 78
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Originally Posted by pfloding View Post
Let's start by saying that my K701 sounded dreadful right out of the box. Much worse than the K141 (which is well run in).

After about 6 hours of loudish playback it sounded much better. After 5 days of contiguous runnning in it sounds really good!
I just got my K701 in yesterday. Didn't quite sound right out of the box, not quite dreadful but very muffled and compressed. After about 6 hours of continuous burn-in, started to sound like a real pair of headphones. After about 18 hours, starting to sound pretty damn good. Soundstage is much better than anything I own (DT880, SR-225), mids sound absolutely fantastic already, but bass seems a tad lean.

I have a feeling I'm going to like them better than my current fav (DT880), but we'll see in a week or so =)
post #30 of 78
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Originally Posted by ounkchicago View Post
I just got my K701 in yesterday. Didn't quite sound right out of the box, not quite dreadful but very muffled and compressed. After about 6 hours of continuous burn-in, started to sound like a real pair of headphones. After about 18 hours, starting to sound pretty damn good. Soundstage is much better than anything I own (DT880, SR-225), mids sound absolutely fantastic already, but bass seems a tad lean.

I have a feeling I'm going to like them better than my current fav (DT880), but we'll see in a week or so =)
Keep us updated!
I'm very happy with the 701s. But some recordings are not good, and there is no glossing over when that is the case. Some older classical recordings sound fantastic, as well as other older recordings.

I find the bass anything but lean! Almost just a little bit "bloated". I would definately not want more bass! But it took me about a week of round the clock burn in to get to this stage.

P.S: I'm not only using the nano as a source.
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