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post #1 of 24
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Just got my power cords from TTVJ last night. Having read LOTS of discussions on the boards about upgrades, I decided that the best way to approach it was to get "entry level" power cords. I bought five of the Cardas Twinlinks; they were around $150 each. I know some people will say right off the bat that this is crazy money, but with my system approaching $30,000, it's honestly not that big of a deal compared to what I could have spent.

After listening for a while, here's my impression--it seems to make some difference. It's not mindblowing, it's pretty subtle; it just seems like the music is a little more detailed. There are tiny, tiny parts that seem to have been obscured with the stock cords. It's definitely one of those "getting the last half of a percent" things where it might be totally unimportant to most listeners.

I have a degree in psychology, so I definitely know this could be a placebo effect. I'm fairly sure it isn't, though... I'm a stickler for listening to the details in a song, and it does seem like there are some that I haven't picked up on previously.

Since we're on the psychology subject, I wanted to throw out my opinion of those who say "This can't possibly work!" It seems to me that whenever something "new" comes out, there are always going to be the "Those damn kids and their flying machines" types who will refuse to give the new technology any chance, because after all, they don't have it and their equipment sounds fine. These people won't ever do what I did and actually buy the stuff and then make up their mind... hell, they won't even bother listening to it for free at the local hifi store because their mind is already made up.

Now don't get me wrong on this point... I'm not saying that everyone who disagrees with the power cable stuff is one of these people. Lots of people make good arguments for why this may be a bunch of bunk but are at least open to the possibility that it might work.
post #2 of 24
cardas on its website says that its cables including power cords take a few hundred hours to break in.

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Break-In Time
Q.) How long does it take to break-in new GR IC's and Power Cords? Is it true that it is hundreds of hours? - Jay

A.) Well it probably is hundreds of hours, but you get to the point of diminishing returns after a few days of play. Basically the more you play them and the less you move them the better. - George
maybe you should break them in some and then post your impressions.
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by vcoheda View Post
cardas on its website says that its cables including power cords take a few hundred hours to break in.



maybe you should break them in some and then post your impressions.
It might take a while... I don't trust a tube amp when it comes to leaving it running all day while I'm not there . It sounds good now, so I can't see it go anywhere but up!
post #4 of 24
please do list your equipments so we can better understand your impression.
post #5 of 24
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It might take a while... I don't trust a tube amp when it comes to leaving it running all day while I'm not there . It sounds good now, so I can't see it go anywhere but up!
yes. maybe you can rotate then, for you could leave your player on all the time and maybe some other non tube based components.
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please do list your equipments so we can better understand your impression.
Well, the vinyl setup is in transition (waiting on a new table/arm), so I haven't listened to it yet. The digital lineup is as follows--

Oyaide SWO-XXX receptacle--->Cardas Twinlink--->PS Audio P500 Power Regenerator--->Cardas Twinlink--->Opus 21 CD Player with Great Northern Sound reference mod--->LAT International IC-300 Signature balanced XLR interconnect--->Ray Samuels B-52 amp (powered with a Cardas Twinlink)--->balanced Sennheiser HD650 or Grado GS1000 or (occasionally) AudioTechnica ATH-W2002
post #7 of 24
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yes. maybe you can rotate then, for you could leave your player on all the time and maybe some other non tube based components.
Good idea! I'll try this.
post #8 of 24
Keep in mind that different components synergise with different cords.

I find that pre and power work best with unshielded high gauge (>14AWG) cords, whilst digital components love shielded 14AWG).

Here is a new discussion on the topic:

http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cab...13/131578.html
post #9 of 24
Yes, crazy money, too damn cheap for 30k system. You should at least use $1000-1500 if you want to save up your price. You know, I spent $3000 for power cords just to use with $3000 system. Who's real crazy?
post #10 of 24
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Yes, crazy money, too damn cheap for 30k system. You should at least use $1000-1500 if you want to save up your price. You know, I spent $3000 for power cords just to use with $3000 system. Who's real crazy?
Well, keep in mind that I have the P500, and the receptacle was almost $300, so I have dropped quite a bit on the power supply side. I guess I'm not yet in the "power cords are the heart of the system" camp. I did notice a difference, but it wasn't the same level as it was when I added the power regenerator, which was completely noticeable. Maybe there will be some burn-in effect; who knows?

Don't get me wrong, I don't regret the purchase at all. I'm glad I bought them and, yes, there was an audible difference. But my 2 cents worth is that it seems like stock cables are thrown together without any care as to quality; it's dollars and cents "cost-effective" B.S.. If you get "entry-level" power cords, you get something that is able to throw off interference and also gets the electrical signal from point A to point B with no kinks caused by shoddy crafting. There's some basic quality control there that I think you do have to pay for. But I have yet to see a good explanation of the end difference between a solidly built power cord at $150 and a $10,000 "exotic" power cord. If my P500 exports a perfect sine wave, assuming that the Cardas doesn't butcher it like a crappy K-mart cable that's on the verge of shorting out from day one and picks up signals from your neighbor's television, I don't see what I can improve by getting a more expensive cable.
post #11 of 24
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If you get "entry-level" power cords, you get something that is able to throw off interference and also gets the electrical signal from point A to point B with no kinks caused by shoddy crafting. There's some basic quality control there that I think you do have to pay for. But I have yet to see a good explanation of the end difference between a solidly built power cord at $150 and a $10,000 "exotic" power cord.
this is my take on it as well and i'll admit that it's a convenient point of view for me and most because i am not really in a position to spend $1000-2000 on cables or a cable. and i have noticed differences, maybe subtle, between stock and aftermarket power cords as i have all cables, and my preference has always been for the latter and sometimes, as in headphone cables, the preference was strong. however, i am very open to the idea that cables in the hundreds or thousands of dollars really are superior (maybe even vastly so) to more affordable yet still well made ones and until i have some real experience with them, i won't be able to have an opinion either way.
post #12 of 24
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Well, the vinyl setup is in transition (waiting on a new table/arm), so I haven't listened to it yet. The digital lineup is as follows--

Oyaide SWO-XXX receptacle--->Cardas Twinlink--->PS Audio P500 Power Regenerator--->Cardas Twinlink--->Opus 21 CD Player with Great Northern Sound reference mod--->LAT International IC-300 Signature balanced XLR interconnect--->Ray Samuels B-52 amp (powered with a Cardas Twinlink)--->balanced Sennheiser HD650 or Grado GS1000 or (occasionally) AudioTechnica ATH-W2002
sorry for the TC how did you add these up $30k? I thought you had something along the line of a $10k spkr + $10k pre/amp + $10k source

I guess I was expecting more
post #13 of 24
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sorry for the TC how did you add these up $30k? I thought you had something along the line of a $10k spkr + $10k pre/amp + $10k source

I guess I was expecting more
Well, the vinyl isn't included, and it's very expensive stuff, much more so than the digital end.

But the CD Player was $5,000, the amp is $5,300, add in the power supply and all the cords and headphones and you'll get an idea of where the system is going.
post #14 of 24
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The cost for the vinyl setup, not including the cords and cables, includes a SOTA Nova table ($3,800), a Dynavector DV 507 mk2 tonearm ($4,250), a Dynavector XX2 cartridge ($1,750), and a Ray Samuels XR-10B phono stage ($4,500).
post #15 of 24
i guess vinyl is not cheap.
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