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post #76 of 120
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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
price rumours are in the 1000 euro mark, so clearly not a headphone for everybody.
If it is really 1000 euro

then i think i should just get the 650 instead of waiting for the 800
post #77 of 120
how about a hybrid electrostatic/dynamic headphone
post #78 of 120
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Originally Posted by troymadison View Post
how about a hybrid electrostatic/dynamic headphone
No thanks!
I take a pure electrostatic headphone any day, over a hybrid electrostatic/dynamic one.

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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
price rumours are in the 1000 euro mark, so clearly not a headphone for everybody.
Thanks god!
Cause a headphone with a price tag for everyone need to have lots of compromises, where some of these compromises degrade the overall sound quality.

€1000 is fine for me, if they are anything like the HE60. Or even better the HE90...
post #79 of 120
It will most likely be a headphone similar to the 580/600/650 type headphone as why mess with a good thing? Why change a sound that has been successful for years? I think it should be called the HD680.
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It will most likely be a headphone similar to the 580/600/650 type headphone as why mess with a good thing? Why change a sound that has been successful for years? I think it should be called the HD680.
If you are not going to change anything - why bother making it in the first place?
post #81 of 120
There are other things you can improve while still keeping the same awesome sound... like further reducing THD and IMD, increasing transient response (not that it was slow to begin with...) and making it more comfortable as well... I have always felt that the earcups were just a little too small.

They've been using the same equalization since the 580, so they must feel that they've gotten it right. Why would they suddenly switch things up? By doing so, they would probably upset a lot of dedicated Sennheiser fans.

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Why bother releasing a new top model if they don't change the sound?
I just don't understand this kind of thinking. Not every new model needs to sound different than the last, you know. Personally, I'm glad that there is a company out there that seems to feel this way. It makes them more respectable in my eyes.

As for the price rumors, I don't believe it. I will believe it when/if I see it. Somehow I don't think they're planning on releasing a nearly $1,500 headphone. It simply wouldn't be profitable to produce. Only the wealthy and/or hardcore audiophiles would buy it, or even be able to buy it in the first place.
post #82 of 120
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Originally Posted by mitchb View Post
It will most likely be a headphone similar to the 580/600/650 type headphone as why mess with a good thing? Why change a sound that has been successful for years? I think it should be called the HD680.
If you are not going to change anything - why bother making it in the first place?
Exactly!
Why bother releasing a new top model if they don't change the sound? That would just be a huge waste of engineer time...
post #83 of 120
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If you are not going to change anything - why bother making it in the first place?
Agreed.

If Sennheiser is going to keep the same inherent sound in all their headphones (pretty much) as they've done with HD580, HD600 and HD650, they might aswell stop making headphones.

€1000 sounds good to me. At least it will be a exclusive headphone.
post #84 of 120
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Originally Posted by m00hk00h View Post
But like I said before, what AKG plans fo rthe future are is much more interesting then another boring Senn because AKG is developing lots of new flagshipmodels/-lines up to 3000€. They also work on a successor of the K 1000.

m00h
You know, you sounded quite sane when I spoke to you at the Dusseldorf meet. Now though...
post #85 of 120
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There are other things you can improve while still keeping the same awesome sound... like further reducing THD and IMD, increasing transient response (not that it was slow to begin with...) and making it more comfortable as well... I have always felt that the earcups were just a little too small.

They've been using the same equalization since the 580, so they must feel that they've gotten it right. Why would they suddenly switch things up? By doing so, they would probably upset a lot of dedicated Sennheiser fans.



I just don't understand this kind of thinking. Not every new model needs to sound different than the last, you know. Personally, I'm glad that there is a company out there that seems to feel this way. It makes them more respectable in my eyes.

As for the price rumors, I don't believe it. I will believe it when/if I see it. Somehow I don't think they're planning on releasing a nearly $1,500 headphone. It simply wouldn't be profitable to produce. Only the wealthy and/or hardcore audiophiles would buy it, or even be able to buy it in the first place.
Sony does it, stax does it, akg did it with the k1000.

Why not? the hd650 could easally live next to the new flagship to bring in the money while the hd800 (or whatever it is called) can take it's place in the headphone world.
post #86 of 120
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Exactly!
Why bother releasing a new top model if they don't change the sound? That would just be a huge waste of engineer time...
Why change the sound? grado has a house sound, sennheiser has it. Why not improve on that but completely change the sound?! If you don't like it, you should look for another brand.
post #87 of 120
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
No thanks!
I take a pure electrostatic headphone any day, over a hybrid electrostatic/dynamic one.

Thanks god!
Cause a headphone with a price tag for everyone need to have lots of compromises, where some of these compromises degrade the overall sound quality.

€1000 is fine for me, if they are anything like the HE60. Or even better the HE90...
I agree, if the new flagship is a significant step over the hd650, then the price is justified.
post #88 of 120
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You know, you sounded quite sane when I spoke to you at the Dusseldorf meet. Now though...
LOl, they won't sell much in that pricerange, unless alot of high end stax owners or r10 owners will change headphones. I doubt it.

it only could be used asa statement, like the he 90 was for sennheiser.
post #89 of 120
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You know, you sounded quite sane when I spoke to you at the Dusseldorf meet. Now though...
Heh, am I hearing sarcasm here?
You know...I have no further information. But AKG is no longer a single company having their business on their own. Nobody out "here" knows what Harmans plans for AKG are! He didn't exacly speak about a "hadphone", he spoke about a "consumer prouct" in the pricerange of up to 3000€.
Why not something like the "Audisphere 3"? Who knows?

I say: you'll see I was right. :P

And concerning the new Senn: I hope they changed the sound. I can't stand the Senn-sound with 95% of my music.

m00h
post #90 of 120
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I can't stand the Senn-sound with 95% of my music.
Or with 100% of your amplifiers. ;^)

Yes, there are characteristics to the HD650. But, much can be ameliorated. Removing the foam helps a lot. Cabling makes a huge improvement... or not, depending on what you pick. I use the latest Cardas.

And, amplification makes a huge difference. I've loved good SE tube amps (WA5) and balanced solid-state (Max Home Balanced was amazing, making the headphone sound completely different... and better than the 701s... but a bit "hard" at times. Tyll calls it something like "hyper-realism" which, of course, means more detail and transient emphasis than reality).

Just as important, the HD650 attempts to notch out resonances that occur between driver and eardrum. For many of us, it works rather well, making the sound move out of our heads a bit and seem amazingly real. Try the kids playing at the end of Another Brick in the Wall... they sound very coherent and appropriately distant. Phones like Grados that are prominent in that region of midrange-treble, instead of appropriately notched, force the image in your head, and can be fatiguingly forward.

But, to design such a notch, you have to do anthropometric/audiological studies. Some ears aren't the same shape. So, if you hear an unacceptable "veil" despite cables, balanced amps, and no foam, I can't argue with you. You just aren't "typical" in terms of ear canal.
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