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post #1 of 19
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I picked up my first "expensive" phones this summer, a pair of Equation RP-21s with Beyer vinyl pads+foam. I've only had the phones 2-3 months but I find myself (ever so slightly) bored/disappointed with the sound. I'd say the #1 thing is the highs don't quite sound "right" and I need more bass. SO, what i'm looking for is a phone that retains my favorite qualities from the RP-21s (Closed and good soundstage) while addressing the aforementioned issues. I'd prefer not to retread so i don't want a RP-22x or RP-15...

What I'm looking for

- Closed
- Bass (Deep, Impactful)
- Good Soundstage (I happy with the RP-21s soundstage so don't suggest an open phone purely off of this)
- Doesn't need an amp to sound good (but improves when amped unlike RP21s)
- Smooth Mids + Clear Highs (RP21s highs... somethings wrong there)
- sub-$200 (though I'm not opposed to saving for <$300)
- Isolation - (no less than what the RP-21 does)
- Think "fun" yet "accurate"

I listen to mainly

- Rap
- Movies
- R&B/Soul (think 70's, Isaac Hayes, Barry White type)
- Reggae
- Rock (some classic, some metal)

From what i've read on head-fi, I'm looking at:

-AKG K271S (concerns about bass)
-ATH-A700
-ATH-AD900 (open, but i'm curious)
-ATH-A900/LTD
-Denon D1000 (my #1 choice ATM)
-Ultrasone HFI 650 (700?)
-Goldring DR150 (see AD900)

I read about the DT770s but those don't seem worth it unless you Darth them. Also, whatever phones I buy will be my new "home" sets so I was also thinking about replacing the RP-21s with something more portable (sportapros are my current mobile phones).

Portables I'm looking at

Sony Eggo (D77? D66?)
ATH-ES7

Any light shed on these phones (esp D1000 & Eggo) as well as new suggestions would be much appreciated...
post #2 of 19
Two things:

1) The RP21s - while easy to drive - will respond favorably to the right amp. I use mine with a Lunchbox II and the problematic highs that you accurately describe are a distant memory. Plus, you could eat the bass with a fork. Great synergy. However, it doesn't sound like that's the route for you I just thought I'd throw it out there.

2) These are not recommendations because I haven't heard either phone but I think you should further investigate and seek more opinions on HD25-1 and D1000. In general, I don't think the Denons are considered a big step up from the RP-21 but if you are unhappy even a near-lateral step could make the difference for you.

EDIT: Just saw that you want more bass than RP-21. #1 would do it but I think #2 would fall short.
post #3 of 19
Um RP-21s do in fact respond to amping. The Microshar uAMP107 brings out the bass even more so! You'll love it. Oh and try taking out the foamies, you'll get more clear treble. I listen to Rap mainly as well, so I come from the same bass background.
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by Bigmike34 View Post
I picked up my first "expensive" phones this summer, a pair of Equation RP-21s with Beyer vinyl pads+foam.
what beyer pads did you get for your RP21's, because the RP21 pads aren't the most comfortable?
post #5 of 19
In the <$300 category:

I would strongly suggest saving up for a pair of Denon AH-D2000s, you can currently score a new pair from Ebay for $298. Based on your comments and considering your criteria, the D2000s would make you "happier than a pig in slop". And it is unlikely that you will do better than the D2000s for a pair of closed cans in that price range. Failing that, you might want to trade in your RP-21s for a pair of Denon-D1000s.
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by captian73 View Post
what beyer pads did you get for your RP21's, because the RP21 pads aren't the most comfortable?
I purchased the vinyl dt770 pads online and removed the stock pads + foams and used the foam that came with the beyer pads. You really have to stretch the beyer pads to get them on the RP21s, they were fine for a month but yesterday i picked up the phones and the edge had torn all by itself. Doesn't seem to have affected the sound but aesthetically its annoying.

Anyway from what i've seen the RP21s aren't fetching much used so I was thinking about selling them to a friend for $60 - $70 and then paying the difference some D1000s.

About the amping, its less a personal opinion (as i'm not that far in the deep end to be looking at amps) but just from what i've read. And while I've read the RP21 responds to amping, what I meant was that there was a slight improvement for discerning ears, or should i say, little potential for improvement. It sounds like that may be wrong as bebanovich and richierich have found good synergy with their amps, but i'm not really looking at amps (and I have a hardcore phone-crush on the D1000s). D2000s seem tempting but I can't pass up the D1000s at $99.

I know it sounds like I've already made up my mind (and i kindof have) but something i'm wondering about is whats the current view on the Sony Eggos (and are the D77 model available anywhere and in my price range?)
post #7 of 19
From what I've read I think the D2000 would be the best. I suggest not settling for the D1000.
post #8 of 19
you need more bass than the rp-21?

you are officially a basshead!

(there's always the RP-22x)
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 1Time View Post
From what I've read I think the D2000 would be the best. I suggest not settling for the D1000.
Is the difference that large between the two? The D2000 seems like a pretty steep jump in price. Does the soundstage improve? Do they need an amp? What about the build quality issues?
post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post
you need more bass than the rp-21?

you are officially a basshead!

(there's always the RP-22x)
Thats true but I can't stand the stock pads and for the price of the RP22x + beyer pads i'd rather go ahead and step into the next level of products.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by 1Time View Post
From what I've read I think the D2000 would be the best. I suggest not settling for the D1000.
From what you've read should not be a good enough reason to recommend anything, IMHO.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Max F View Post
From what you've read should not be a good enough reason to recommend anything, IMHO.
I agree 100%. And so this is why I suggested instead of recommended.
post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 
.....


So have you heard the D2000s? Otherwise I've read impressions saying that the Denons just plain sound better than the RP21s. Thats enough for me. I'd like to hear more about the D1001s...
post #14 of 19
Although i love my Denon D1000's, bass isn't really their thing.
post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 
After making this thread, I was wrong about the RP-21s, the bass is really good. It's just... the D1000s have from what i've read head-to-head been labeled better than the RP21s and they come at the same $99 price i picked up my RP21s. Couple it with the Beyer pads I put on the RP-21s falling apart (because they really don't fit, i mean they do but to point where it stresses out the lining) and I think i'd really like to replace them with D1000s. Regardless with the new iPod announcements, I have $350 headed towards a classic, so new headphones (over the couple dollar difference from selling the rp21s and picking up the d1000s) are out of the question.
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