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post #31 of 41
MacDEF: The KSC-35 that I had borrowed from a friend of mine had EXTREMELY boomy bass and no mids. Maybe his sample had been abused over the several years he has been owning them.
post #32 of 41
Gluegun youre crazy. But it's a funny kind of crazy so it's alright.
post #33 of 41
Well....well....
I love my 888 as well....way to go!! Nice earphone with excellence design and detail...
post #34 of 41
As a follow-up to my most recent post in this thread:

The KSC-35 is a great headphone for under $30, so it's definitely abuse (of that friend's pair) that caused my @#$% remarks about them. I own a pair of KSC-50's, and they are also great for under $20, but they're not the same caliber of headphones as the Sony E888. You're really comparing apples and pears in this case.
post #35 of 41
MacDEF: Note the numerous smileys that are speckled throughout my "rant."

I did find the 888 going LOWER than the MX500 off of portable sources - with an amp, there was no conetest (MX500 completely killled 888).

Hmm......I guess......the 888s are one of those luv-em or hate-em kinda things.....sorta like soap operas...
post #36 of 41
coolvij, guess so


EagleDriver wrote:
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I own a pair of KSC-50's, and they are also great for under $20, but they're not the same caliber of headphones as the Sony E888. You're really comparing apples and pears in this case.
Well, again, different strokes/needs, I guess. I think they're *definitely* the same caliber, and would take them over the 888s any day, especially in their intended arena -- a portable environment. They don't have the absolute detail of the 888s, but they have a more balanced sound (they actually *have* lower mids and good bass), and a very musical presentation. Couple that with the fact that in a portable environment, treble/upper mid is the first thing you start to lose because of external noise, and the prices ($15 vs. $50 on sales), and I'm back to where I started
post #37 of 41
ai0tron, I have a few things to say to that....

*gets out the case for the 888's, and starts holding it up like a spaceship, and begins talking like the voice of the protoss carrier--real deep like*

CARRIER HAS ARRIVED!

*pokes the case a few times, making a "tickaticka" sound like a computer mouse makes*

OUR ENEMIES ARE LEGION!

*tikka-tikka*

AND STILL YOU PROCRASTINATE!

*tikka-tikka-tikka*

COMMAND OR YOU WILL BE RELIEVED!!
post #38 of 41
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Well, again, different strokes/needs, I guess. I think they're *definitely* the same caliber, and would take them over the 888s any day, especially in their intended arena -- a portable environment. They don't have the absolute detail of the 888s, but they have a more balanced sound (they actually *have* lower mids and good bass), and a very musical presentation. Couple that with the fact that in a portable environment, treble/upper mid is the first thing you start to lose because of external noise, and the prices ($15 vs. $50 on sales), and I'm back to where I started
i was typing litterally the EXACT same message, but my computer crashed and i was too lazy to retype it The e888s are slightly more detailed than the koss's, but also have a VERY peaky/uneven frequency response compared to koss. And they lack the bass/treble that is most audiable in portable environments, I need to turn them up to dangerous levels outdoors just to hear the music/the beat. I can listen at much lower levels when i had sportapros, and now with grados...


My biggest problem with the e888s are they don't fit me properly, and the poor ear coupling results in no bass response... well, maybe its the headphones, because with a good amp the bass comes back... but the 16 ohm impedence is just way too low for modern portables to drive properly, and that;s the only place i'd ever think of using them. So its a poor design choice, IMO.

With the ksc/sportapros, they also have some problems with fit; when they're new they press to hard on the ears, leading to boomy exagerated bass. But unlike the e888's, this can be EASILY corrected with a little headband bending/new pads...

Also, koss's are every bit as portable as the e888s, and way more durable.

Basically, for portable use,, koss's sound better, always fit better, are more durable, and cost less

for home use, grado 60, 80, MS1, Sennheiser 545 +495, and Sony V6 all destroy them...
post #39 of 41
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but the 16 ohm impedence is just way too low for modern portables to drive properly, and that;s the only place i'd ever think of using them. So its a poor design choice, IMO.
Huh? Explain that one to me please...since my 888s are twice as loud as my next nearest 'phone when both are on the same volume level on my MD players. I assume you're coming off of the DIY knowledge of voltages, etc. maybe. The 888s are the most easy to drive 'phones out there IMO.
post #40 of 41
I did a side by side comparison of the 888s, MX-500s, and KSC-35s out of my Sony MZ-E900, MDLP 2 recordings, just to refreshen my memory. Here's my findings:

MX-500s overall had the smoothest sound, as in nothing sounded out of place. It has a bit of a warmer lower midrange than the 888s.

888s had the best transparency...using it I could very clearly hear the shortcomings of MDLP 2 (although, I can still plainly hear that swirly sound in vocals that you get with low bitrate MP3s with any of these 'phones, just that the 888s present that problem the clearest). However the 888s had a boxiness/hollowness to the upper midbass. Sensitivity is awesome on the 888s...it remains a good 3-4 levels below the other 'phones. Upper midrange was clearer than the MX-500s. This was with my LP pair of 888s (More notes below).

KSC-35s had the best impacting bass. In fact it's the only one that has any bass...the other 'phones have that phenomenon of bass you can hear but can't feel. However I found its lower midrange/midrange level to sound grainy, whereas it was smooth on the above earbuds.

Treble response was absolutely horrible on all of the above, I can't even begin to comment on it. If I had to pick one I'd say the 888s had perhaps the most extended treble, as in you can actually hear some treble, but otherwise, all of the above 'phones had a pretty muffled sounding treble.

I did learn something very interesting out of all this. I have two pairs of 888s...a SP and a LP version, and I've owned and used the LP longer than the SP. Well in a side by side comparsion, the two 888s distinctly sound different from each other. The SP, which gets less use, sounded a tad thinner and had better treble detail than the LP 888s. It also doesn't have that hollow bass that I heard with the LP 888s. On the other hand, the LP 888s had a much wider soundstage, and it was also much more sensitive than the SP 888s. When I switched from the SP to LP, I immediately had to crank the E900 down two notches in volume because it was too loud. The only explanation I have for this is the SP 888s aren't yet fully burned in (I've probably put them on less than 30 times and I've had them for a year now), while the LP 888s are 100% burned in. If this is the case, 888s sound their best when they're about 30-50% burned in...once they hit 100%, that's when they start to get that hollow bass and to some, an overkill in midrange.

In connection to another favorite 'phone around here, those "treasured" 484s, it seems Sony just simply has a problem with hollow bass with all their earphones, exception being the EX70s. The first thing I picked up with I heard the 484s was how the bass sounded hollow. It looks like the 888s follow suit unfortunately.


I'd have to say now that my new favorite portable 'phones would have to be the MX-500s, regardless of price...because of the combination of easy on/off, size, durability, and price. I won't have a heart attack if I end up mangling the MX500s in my backpack, they sound as good or better than the 888s, and they're easy to take out and put on, and just wrap around the player to store away. Their cord also remains much less tangled than the 888's cord. I did the Croakies mod to my KSC-35s so they're no longer so easy to put on and off, plus they look a tad out of place in public I still say. It's also a pet peeve of mine to leak music around me, which the KSC-35s do. I personally prefer to use open air earphones regardless of outside noise because of hygeine reasons...after on/offing the EX70s 2-3 times in a day, they tend to pick up dust really easily because of oil and sweat from the ears, and if you stick that into your ear too much, it'll be a good way to get an ear infection. So those are out for me.
post #41 of 41
16 ohm impedence means that it sucks tons of current out of the amp... 20 times more current than a pair of senns would at the same volume setting. Not only will this drain the batteries faster, but its also very hard for the amp to drive it properly.

Most amps, particularly cheap built-in amps, do a horrible job when they need to output so much current- the amp will simply distort, and have poor control over the diaphagm. IMO, this is most noticable in the bass, where the impedence is the lowest the bass seems to cut out at about 100hz, and sounds fluffy with no extension. There is a HUGE difference when a high-current amp is used to drive them, but this is also partially due to the fact that the amp on my D-ej01 SUCKS. Crappy amp + tough load to drive = TOTAL CRAP!

32 ohm Grados or 60 ohm Koss's would be much easier for the amp to drive.

That said, a the 16 ohm impedence allows it to play louder with the same voltage (volume setting). (compared with higher impedence headphones, the e888 draws much more POWER at any voltage, so it will put out more SOUND energy).

This is obviously why sony chose to use a 16 ohm impedence, they can still reach deafining listening levels with modern portables powered by a single AA. But while the portables may make them go loud, but they can't make them sound good.

BTW, The SP version comes with a cheap leatherette pouch (koss-style) instead of the plastic carrying case... I don't think the e888s could last very long without a hard case to protect them... Considering that they're the same price, i'd definately go for the LP version,
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