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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by wolfen68 View Post
You seem to be turning the mechanics of this around. The iriver is not the source...the external DAC is when using the iriver's optical out to it. The iriver is holding the sheet music...but the DAC actually does the singing. The sound from an iriver WILL improve with upgraded DACs.

You say *anything* can be used that generates a digital output.....are you aware of any other high capacity devices the size of the iriver that can be used as a transport? Other than some old Archos models with spdif...they don't exist. That's the thing that makes the iriver special.

I agree with some of your other points. We've been talking about 'absolute' sound quality here...but how much PITA does someone need to go through to beat the imod? I have nothing against the imod...and would readily choose one to achieve a great performance to portability ratio.

Everyone's different, but at this point optimum sound quality and not ultra portability is my preference. I'm using H140--->MircoDAC--->SR71--->RS-1's and to date it's proven to be the best sound I can achieve in a relatively small transportable footprint.
Source was a poor choice of words, yet the results are the same. The iRiver, or in your analogy, sheet music, does not change. The original quote was 'The iRiver will always be better, because it can always improve.' If the sheet music does not change, how can the sheet music improve? Again, symatics. The iRiver in and of itself has zero SQ (ignoring the headphone jack).

Anything that plugs into the DAC/Amp combo has equivalent output because it is just ones and zeros. Laptops (transportable), PCDPs, iRivers, etc.

Can an iRiver rig beat an iMod SQ? depends on the DAC/Amp. Can it be portable? perhaps with the D1. Can it be transportable, yes. Can it beat the iMod in storage capacity, no. Can it beat it in support, no, it's not even in production anymore. These are *all* valid views/concerns.

Beating the iMod is a subjective thing based on the users requirements. For some people it is not even in the ballpark, for others such as yourself, it beats it hands down. I have no qualms with that. You haven't caught me saying the iRiver is crappy, nor have I ever claimed that the iMod 'will *always* be better'. It 'depends' on the requirements and it depends on the rig and it is as simple as that. Nothing is absolute.
post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by itsborken View Post
I disagree, the iRiver can never improve; it is locked in at being a transport forever. The DAC/Amp may be changed but it has nothing to do with the iRiver itself as a source. Symantics, but still, the DAC/Amp makes or breaks the package. You could replace iRiver with *anything* that generates digital output and wind up in the same place.
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Originally Posted by itsborken View Post
Source was a poor choice of words, yet the results are the same. The iRiver, or in your analogy, sheet music, does not change. The original quote was 'The iRiver will always be better, because it can always improve.' If the sheet music does not change, how can the sheet music improve? Again, symatics. The iRiver in and of itself has zero SQ (ignoring the headphone jack).
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Originally Posted by itsborken View Post
Anything that plugs into the DAC/Amp combo has equivalent output because it is just ones and zeros. Laptops (transportable), PCDPs, iRivers, etc.
Yes, but there's very few portable storage devices that sport an optical out.

Its small role in determining the overall sound quality (coupled with its storage capablities/portable form factor) are advantageous; such characteristics will ultimately result to various transportable setups that don't evolve around one set audio signature.

Iriver's only (inherent) weaknesses stem from components that have no tangible effect on the resulting sound quality. (Hard drive capacity/battery life, etc)

Transportability/portability are determined by outside components which can easily be altered depending on circumstance.

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Originally Posted by itsborken View Post
Can it beat the iMod in storage capacity, no. Can it beat it in support, no, it's not even in production anymore. These are *all* valid views/concerns.

Beating the iMod is a subjective thing based on the users requirements. For some people it is not even in the ballpark, for others such as yourself, it beats it hands down. I have no qualms with that. You haven't caught me saying the iRiver is crappy, nor have I ever claimed that the iMod 'will *always* be better'. It 'depends' on the requirements and it depends on the rig and it is as simple as that. Nothing is absolute.
I agree. I shouldn't have stated that the Iriver is the better audiophile DAP. "Better" isn't specific. There are many factors that one has to take into mind. (Transportability/Upgradability/Sound Quality/, etc). Upgradeability, versatility, transportability, and sound quality is more important to me than sheer portability and hence my stance. YMMV.
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by itsborken View Post
If the sheet music does not change, how can the sheet music improve?
If the sheet music is in a lossless format, it will be a constant that can't improve. As we seem to agree, it will only get better in presentation as you improve your DAC (limited only by the upper bar gold standard of perfectly reproduced sound). I can live with that minor restriction

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Originally Posted by itsborken View Post
Can it beat the iMod in storage capacity, no. Can it beat it in support, no, it's not even in production anymore. These are *all* valid views/concerns.
Arguably, irivers are well supported. Irivers can be modded up to 80 gig....which isn't too shabby. They're not in production anymore....but Rockbox is older and more stable than ipods version....hard drives and batteries are readily replaceable....and all kinds of repairs and sources for parts are available on the internet. If your imod breaks (something related to the mod), and RWA is not in business anymore, where are you gonna go?

Again, I have nothing against imods and I'm convinced they're the real deal. I can't claim that iriver/DAC is better because I've never heard an imod! I look forward to that day....
post #34 of 51
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Originally Posted by wolfen68 View Post
If your imod breaks (something related to the mod), and RWA is not in business anymore, where are you gonna go?
Myself; I can wield a soldering iron/replace a drive etc.

The 80gb drives on the iRiver are good. Now that they are releasing 120gb 3rd party that run in iPods, I wonder if those same drives can be installed in the iRiver (or is there some drive size limitation in the OS)?

If I can snag one on eBay for a reasonable price I'll give it a whirl one day.
post #35 of 51
can an h120 be bumped up to to 80? is it hard???
post #36 of 51
evidently, yes.
post #37 of 51
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Originally Posted by itsborken View Post
I wonder if those same drives can be installed in the iRiver (or is there some drive size limitation in the OS)?

If I can snag one on eBay for a reasonable price I'll give it a whirl one day.
The newer drives are ZIF socket drives, whereas the irivers use the traditional 1.8" ide connector. I heard there's a third party adapter possibly in the works....so anything's possible.

Ichinichi....Span is being a little misleading. H120's can only be brought up to 40 gig...unless you start removing cushioning materials to make some extra room. Then the two platter 60 and 80 gig drives will fit (though not recommended).

You can also get a broken h140 and use the side panels and end caps to convert your h120 to a h140 (all other parts are the same).
post #38 of 51
Oh reeeeeeally!? Another thing to put on my list of stuff to get. I'm guessing the side panels and end caps are just wider to accommodate the larger HDD?
post #39 of 51
I agree with all the comments that the iRiver would best an iMod if paired with a good DAC, but they're apples and oranges. The iMod is genuinely portable. The iRiver rigs people put together in those giant fanny packs or whatever are not. I guess some people would go for a walk or a bus ride with all that equipment, but let's be serious. It's a home or (at best) transportable rig. Of course it has the potential to sound better.

Whether it has the potential to sound better than the iMod with Vcaps is less certain.
post #40 of 51
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Originally Posted by wolfen68 View Post
The newer drives are ZIF socket drives, whereas the irivers use the traditional 1.8" ide connector. I heard there's a third party adapter possibly in the works....so anything's possible..
Thanks for the info wolfen68
post #41 of 51
The H140 can accept the larger drives, and it is possible to make a ZIF to IDE adaptor. There is a link to a pdf on the rockbox site that has a pinout.
post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu View Post
The H140 can accept the larger drives, and it is possible to make a ZIF to IDE adaptor. There is a link to a pdf on the rockbox site that has a pinout.
Could you please post the website link to the PDF file?
Thanks
post #43 of 51
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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu View Post
The H140 can accept the larger drives, and it is possible to make a ZIF to IDE adaptor. There is a link to a pdf on the rockbox site that has a pinout.
or you could solder a full size ide connector to the 1.8in and use any 3.5in hdd you please.
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by wanderman View Post
or you could solder a full size ide connector to the 1.8in and use any 3.5in hdd you please.
That wouldn't exactly fit inside, now would it? In my X5, the HDD slides in. You couldn't just make a bigger backplate.

Plus, those use much more power...
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by bpfiguer View Post
Could you please post the website link to the PDF file?
Thanks
http://www.stolltech.ch/iriver.pdf
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/vie...iveReplacement
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