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post #436 of 1411
10/26/07 at 11:02pm
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Originally Posted by soozieq View Post
As most of you know, I've been whining incessantly (and yet endearingly ) about the lack of Denon tips, and the fact no others seem to produce the same sound. I'd tried the Sennheiser CX300 and Sony EX tips and felt the soundstage seemed a little smaller with a bit of bass loss to boot.

Well, how embarrassing - I hadn't tried the Sony tips at all, only the Senns. I mus have been either drunk, wasted, or both - but seems I kept trying the Senns over and over again

I only discovered my 'error' when I swapped some Sony tips with another member and saw they were in a different container altogether. Anyway, the good news is the Denons sound great with the Sony tips, in fact, I'd go as far as to say the soundstage is even a little bigger, and I didn't notice any drop in the bass at all. They fit really well. They're even more secure (for me) than the Denon tips, so all in all I am one happy bunny at the moment.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing, and I kept swapping back and forth thinking I'd mistaken the Sonys for the Denons, but I hadn't. Someone else said earlier they preferred the Sony tips, and having 'actually' tried them now, I have to agree 100%.

The other bonus is not having to rely on Denon to provide replacement tips, as I have at least 4 pairs of mediums, and Sony EX tips are widely available.

Do you hear that Denon? WIDELY AVAILABLE!!
Guess it's time to dig out the old EX51LP (that're being held together by electrical tape) to get the tips and try them on the Denon.
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post #437 of 1411
10/26/07 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by dantat8 View Post
drey/athenaesword, thanks for the replies regarding the cord thickness/weight. I had read a review on trustedreviews that it was on the thick side. Has anyone compared these to the Mylarone X3's?
it is thicker than normal. but that's good cus it makes it very resistant to tangling. but thick doesn't mean heavy. the cord ain't heavy.
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post #438 of 1411
10/26/07 at 11:08pm
I rejected the C350 at the same time that I bought the C700 - there was no comparison.
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post #439 of 1411
10/26/07 at 11:21pm
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
Guess it's time to dig out the old EX51LP (that're being held together by electrical tape) to get the tips and try them on the Denon.
Aren't all Sony EX51/71's held together by some sort of tape?
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post #440 of 1411
10/27/07 at 12:07am
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Originally Posted by athenaesword View Post
it is thicker than normal. but that's good cus it makes it very resistant to tangling. but thick doesn't mean heavy. the cord ain't heavy.
Thanks for the info. On a different note, I saw that you had noted that you have to turn up the volume on you Clix2 above 20 or something like that when using the C700's. Is that still the case? I can barely stand using that high of a volume setting with my X3's (in a quiet environment that is). Reason why I'm asking is because I'm using the same DAP.
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post #441 of 1411
10/27/07 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by dantat8 View Post
Thanks for the info. On a different note, I saw that you had noted that you have to turn up the volume on you Clix2 above 20 or something like that when using the C700's. Is that still the case? I can barely stand using that high of a volume setting with my X3's (in a quiet environment that is). Reason why I'm asking is because I'm using the same DAP.
i also realise that the volume required for different songs is vastly different. for example, i can listen to anywhere between 22 to 30. for songs from different albums. while u might say that it's due to the song files itself, it never was that significant before. maybe cus altering the volume at lower levels makes a much more significant change in loudness compared to changing the volume at higher levels.

the good thing about the low sensitivity (hence higher volume req) is that the phones pick up absolutely no hiss at all.

as for bad points... well there are really none if you think about it, other than perhaps eating more battery, which would be fairly insignificant compared to the full battery life of the clix 2 anyway. it's just a psychological unease that hey i'm listening to a higher volume than i should be. just bear in mind that the volume isn't really louder, it's just the number that's higher lol.
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post #442 of 1411
10/27/07 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by soozieq View Post
Drey, I'm really surprised you're getting bothered by cord noise. I found the LACK of microphonics a huge plus point. . . so much so, that I pointed it out when I first wrote about them. I wear them straight down with the earpieces slightly angled upwards, and hear no noise at all. I wonder if anyone else is being bothered by it? Anyone??
hey soozieq
do u use the c700s much on the go? i use it while walking (we do a lot of that here in dublin) and when the cord bounces off my shirt, it's really loud.. but nothing a clip wouldn't rectify..

like i said, the cord material, while increasing cord noise (imho), does prevent tangles very well.. so there.

that said, i'm very happy with the c700. extreme value for money imho. got them from bluetin.

now i'm eyeing the denon d2000. sigh. head-fi. sigh.
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post #443 of 1411
10/27/07 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by athenaesword View Post
i also realise that the volume required for different songs is vastly different. for example, i can listen to anywhere between 22 to 30. for songs from different albums. while u might say that it's due to the song files itself, it never was that significant before. maybe cus altering the volume at lower levels makes a much more significant change in loudness compared to changing the volume at higher levels.

the good thing about the low sensitivity (hence higher volume req) is that the phones pick up absolutely no hiss at all.

as for bad points... well there are really none if you think about it, other than perhaps eating more battery, which would be fairly insignificant compared to the full battery life of the clix 2 anyway. it's just a psychological unease that hey i'm listening to a higher volume than i should be. just bear in mind that the volume isn't really louder, it's just the number that's higher lol.
Not sure if this means anything, but I had the C700s (sold them recently) and one thing I noticed is I had to use the volume control a lot more than I do with my Atrio M5s. It was a little bothersome to me (having to keep changing the volume, depending on the track), but not the main reason I sold them (I didn't need two IEMs and prefer the Atrio sound sig). Anyway, I noticed it a lot more than with the M5s. I have a Creative Zen Vision M, so it may be DAP independent with the C700s.
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post #444 of 1411
10/27/07 at 8:58am
You guys can mod the Shure black foam tips to fit the Denon!
I've done this yesterday, for my backup JVC FX55. You have to remove the inside plastic tube without ripping the foam. I used small scissors and a screwdriver where I put snugly one tip (so that pushing the screwdriver farther in the tip made the plastic tube come out more). I had to toss two foamies, but in the end I managed to mod them right. The foam tips without the tubes fit the FX55 tightly. Bass improves, along with isolation and detail. Bass becomes involving and impactful, a very good result with the cold FX55.
The nozzle of the C700 has the same diameter as the the 55's, the Sennheiser CX300, Sony IEMs and the Triple fi, so this mod lets people use the olive foamies with almost all IEMs.
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post #445 of 1411
10/27/07 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by tstarn06 View Post
Not sure if this means anything, but I had the C700s (sold them recently) and one thing I noticed is I had to use the volume control a lot more than I do with my Atrio M5s. It was a little bothersome to me (having to keep changing the volume, depending on the track), but not the main reason I sold them (I didn't need two IEMs and prefer the Atrio sound sig). Anyway, I noticed it a lot more than with the M5s. I have a Creative Zen Vision M, so it may be DAP independent with the C700s.
The C700 have a sensitivity of only 104 dB/mW, against the Atrio's 112dB. An increase of +6 dB means that the volume is two times as loud. So the Atrios don't need the player to be turn out very loud in order to reach good volume levels.
The Denon, on the other side, are a sort of hiss killers with that low sensitivity (but his becomes a real problem with sens. higher than 112dB/mW, and hissy players).
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post #446 of 1411
10/27/07 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by tstarn06 View Post
Not sure if this means anything, but I had the C700s (sold them recently) and one thing I noticed is I had to use the volume control a lot more than I do with my Atrio M5s. It was a little bothersome to me (having to keep changing the volume, depending on the track), but not the main reason I sold them (I didn't need two IEMs and prefer the Atrio sound sig). Anyway, I noticed it a lot more than with the M5s. I have a Creative Zen Vision M, so it may be DAP independent with the C700s.
i'm inclined to think it's simple math really. taking the clix 2's max volume of 40. if your atrios plays at ave 15, and your denons play at ave 30, changing the volume by 2/15 would give a % difference in volume as changing 4/30. so in the end changes in volume at a higher level tend to be larger to effect the same change in volume. that said though, yea i agree it's fairly irritating. esp since i'm not finding the changes in 2s or 3s, but as much as 6 at times. i'd much rather fiddle with eq than volume. but oh well, guess you can't have everything
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post #447 of 1411
10/27/07 at 11:42pm
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Originally Posted by athenaesword View Post
i'd much rather fiddle with eq than volume. but oh well, guess you can't have everything
I'm not having a volume problem at all. Isn't that weird? The issue you're describing with the Denons is exactly the problem I had with the Shure SE310s, except that with the 310s it was more to do with the fact that about 30% of the songs needed a much higher volume to sound decent, they actually sounded bad at normal volume.

I've tried the normaliser on the A808 in the 'on' and 'off' position - normalising (to my ears) makes everything the same level without distorting (I can't hear any distortion at all) - and having the normaliser off makes everything about 4 notches quieter, but still the same level give or take a notch or two. Do you think it depends on the dap?
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post #448 of 1411
10/28/07 at 2:33am
I have no volumes issues or concerns either.
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post #449 of 1411
10/28/07 at 4:41am
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Originally Posted by soozieq View Post
I'm not having a volume problem at all. Isn't that weird? The issue you're describing with the Denons is exactly the problem I had with the Shure SE310s, except that with the 310s it was more to do with the fact that about 30% of the songs needed a much higher volume to sound decent, they actually sounded bad at normal volume.

I've tried the normaliser on the A808 in the 'on' and 'off' position - normalising (to my ears) makes everything the same level without distorting (I can't hear any distortion at all) - and having the normaliser off makes everything about 4 notches quieter, but still the same level give or take a notch or two. Do you think it depends on the dap?
it might be the dap, but i'm inclined to think it isn't the fault of a sole piece of equipment. maybe it's the combination perhaps? but i didn't have the problem with my previous pair of earphones. while i did change the volume now and then, it wasn't as bad. i'm actually starting to think it might be that the mids are portrayed differently, which is why i would actually turn the volume up and down. i mean, vocals just don't sound right till they're at a certain volume, and everything else accompanies it. for example, i wouldnt' notice or be able to pick on the volume of the bass as much as vocals, and since i pretty much tune the volume to the level of the vocals i want, tada. i don't know what the problem is though. i'm going to test the stock tips again for abit, since i've been using the UE foamies for a coupla days now. maybe it'll make a difference i don't know. i'm glad to know someone is having the same problem as me though
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post #450 of 1411
10/28/07 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by soozieq View Post
I'm not having a volume problem at all. Isn't that weird? The issue you're describing with the Denons is exactly the problem I had with the Shure SE310s, except that with the 310s it was more to do with the fact that about 30% of the songs needed a much higher volume to sound decent, they actually sounded bad at normal volume.

I've tried the normaliser on the A808 in the 'on' and 'off' position - normalising (to my ears) makes everything the same level without distorting (I can't hear any distortion at all) - and having the normaliser off makes everything about 4 notches quieter, but still the same level give or take a notch or two. Do you think it depends on the dap?
Soozie, you actually use the normalizer? All it does is play with the volume control when parts of songs either increase or decrease in volume. I guess some people like that but when instruments play, like a cymbal crash, it's naturally louder and having the normalizer lower the volume of that just makes the overall presentation less natural. Yes, the normalizer can make a song sound louder but, again, you have to live with naturally louder sound elements being "normalized" and thus decrease in volume. Do you know what I mean? I have more Dance tracks with the thump thump thump thump beat with lots of cymbal crashes that I'll let you listen to when I get my amp back. I'm sure you'll know what I mean after that.
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