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post #61 of 103
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Ditto, the bass of the Ed9 is FAR more controlled than the D5000 in my books. And I agree with all previous posts regarding the boominess only occurring with some recordings. One I have in mind is Extraordinary Machine from Fiona Apple. I get surprised when a contrabass gets boomy sounding. Could it be the recording location? I don't get that from a CD like Buena Vista Social Club for instance.

In the end, it might indeed more have to do with the amount of bass than the actual rendering. The bass does not sound any tighter on the K701 but there's just so much less of it that the booming sound isn't as noticeable.

Humm, maybe I should try bending the headband or the cable mod as both of these must change the effectiveness of the seal?! But truth is, only for my poorly recorded / mastered music it's a little annoying so I don't want to ruin a perfect balance for all the other good recordings!
I'm not going to debate on this issue. I do feel that the Ed.9 is superior sounding to the D5000 no question ask; however, both headphone do share similar sonic signature such as bass response and upfront presentation with the Ed.9 having better image and seperation of the instrument. The bass on the Ed.9 also extend deeper and has better refinement than the D5000. It usually doesn't take me long to judge a headphone as I've heard and owned most of them in past. You should audition the HP2 or PS-1 if one become available. They are legendary for a reason. As for terrific bass reponse without any hint of boominess, the HE-90 is the king in that area.

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canman heard my UE9 out of my Lavry headamp at the Washington area meet last month and he said the same to me after about 5 seconds of listening. He also said they were very similar to the Edition 7s he heard a couple of years back. Probably a very good method of judging things and a great memory for hearing. He is also the one that I mentioned above that probably comes from the Stax side of the house with his preferences (bias) in hand. edit: Note that it does not appear that canman has a Stax from his profile but this is the headphone he mention to me when I ask him what he was comparing the boomy issue to.

All this information continues to be very helpful to my understanding of where these impressions are coming from.
Yes....that what I remembered from one of the meet impression thread. I believe Canman, mulveling, jjcha, [ak]zip, and icarium share similar thought on the Ed.9
post #62 of 103
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Originally Posted by purk View Post
I believe Canman, mulveling, jjcha, [ak]zip, and icarium share similar thought on the Ed.9
I suppose this means case closed. The "gods" have spoken.

Thanks for the clarification.
post #63 of 103
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I suppose this means case closed. The "gods" have spoken.

Thanks for the clarification.
slwiser,

Please don't take anything personal. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion. I have mine...and I share it that's all. You did ask for proof of so I stated those who share similar impression. By the way, you have PM.
post #64 of 103
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Originally Posted by slwiser View Post
I suppose this means case closed. The "gods" have spoken.

Thanks for the clarification.
Outch that hurts!!!! Slwiser please!!! No!!! Purk is one of the nicest and coolest fellows here in headfi... Do not misunderstood him, please that was IMO a bit off, unless a joke...
post #65 of 103
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Originally Posted by purk View Post
I'm not going to debate on this issue. I do feel that the Ed.9 is superior sounding to the D5000 no question ask; however, both headphone do share similar sonic signature such as bass response and upfront presentation with the Ed.9 having better image and seperation of the instrument. The bass on the Ed.9 also extend deeper and has better refinement than the D5000. It usually doesn't take me long to judge a headphone as I've heard and owned most of them in past. You should audition the HP2 or PS-1 if one become available. They are legendary for a reason. As for terrific bass reponse without any hint of boominess, the HE-90 is the king in that area.
No doubt these headphones you mention (HP2, PS-1) are probably world class. I trust your experience given all you've heard. I actually listened to PS-1's at a previous meet with Ray's gear if I remember right. And I was very pleasantly surprised (I am really not a fan of the RS family sound...).

The Ed9 has just what gives me the chills. The detail is there but rendered naturally. Soundstage is so much more realistic to me than the expensive one of open cans such as K701. Dynamics are top notch, something I just haven't heard from the 650s on any rig (including ultimate stuff at meets). Comfort is good to, something I can't stand with Grado headphones (can't speak for the old HP2 though). I really can't find a fault.

In the end, it's all a matter of compromise I guess, and each one of us will like different pair of shoes to match our feet. What I mean by this is that no headphone is ever perfect, but one can live with its imperfections as long as other attributes are top priorities in the listeners mind...

Of course, I will keep your recommendations in mind! But for now, I'd say I am quite happy
post #66 of 103
I have quietly stayed out of the way, but since the sarcastic "cased closed's" have started to fly, I thought I'd affirm that what purk is describing is very similar to what I remember hearing, and dead on with the notes that I took.

Unless slwiser is implying that the Ed9's have reached sonic nirvana, he has to admit that they are weak in at least one area. I happen to think that the bass was more boomy and less controlled than the PROline 750's I directly compared them to last week.

And I do see the similarities between the Denon D5000 and the Ed9, although I think the Ed9 is cleaner on the top end.
post #67 of 103
I was interested in the opinions of Bootleg that started this "Edition 9 has boomy bass" consideration. It was my pair of Edition 9's that he was listening to when he came to his opinion. I also compared the 750 to the Ed. 9 and found them to sound quite different. The perspective of Edition 9 seemed more upfront than the 750, and this perhaps could attribute a consideration of "boominess" as the bass seemed to have more weight due to the up-front perspective.

After reading all of the posts about the D5000's bass vs the Edition 9, I just had to find out for myself. I spent the last hour A/B'ing the two headphones with trying to focus just on the bass quality, quantity, articulation, and detail, and must say that the two are fairly similar. The Ed. 9 was able to resolve the details better, especially when the bass tracks got more congested. I heard more resonance within the drums and better pitch definition with double bass, however the differences were not all that astounding. True boominess, where the bass lacks definition, has overhang, and muddies the lower midrange is NOT a feature of either of these headphones.
post #68 of 103
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Originally Posted by 4N6 View Post
True boominess, where the bass lacks definition, has overhang, and muddies the lower midrange is NOT a feature of either of these headphones.
It appears that you did not get the message.
post #69 of 103
I'll stay out of it except to say that to me ED9 has the opposite of boomy bass. The bass is as well controlled and defined as any I've heard. Mainly comparing to high end home and car set ups here, but also the cans in my sig. The SPL level of bass is quite high as mentioned but to me that is more realistic and I enjoy it. In my experience a good full size system or live band has prominent, impactful bass and while no cans can reproduce that feeling, the ED9 convinces me pretty well sometimes that I am there. Other cans obviously have bass at a lower volume and I find that lacking. I certainly see where both sides are coming from though.
post #70 of 103
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Originally Posted by slwiser View Post
It appears that you did not get the message.
That's something my wife tells me all of the time!
post #71 of 103
If I have learned anything in my 2 and a half years on this site, its that people have VERY different ideas about what represents good bass. Its almost impossible to have consensus on bass performance.
post #72 of 103
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
If I have learned anything in my 2 and a half years on this site, its that people have VERY different ideas about what represents good bass. Its almost impossible to have consensus on bass performance.

Yeah I think thats true in all of audio. Bass is the major divider in what people judge to be good. People have very different ideas of good bass in everything from buds, cans, $100k + home rigs or $20k+ car systems. Impossible to please everyone. I guess that's why we have these discussions, to understand different peoples view points.
post #73 of 103
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Originally Posted by 4N6 View Post
I was interested in the opinions of Bootleg that started this "Edition 9 has boomy bass" consideration. It was my pair of Edition 9's that he was listening to when he came to his opinion. I also compared the 750 to the Ed. 9 and found them to sound quite different. The perspective of Edition 9 seemed more upfront than the 750, and this perhaps could attribute a consideration of "boominess" as the bass seemed to have more weight due to the up-front perspective.

After reading all of the posts about the D5000's bass vs the Edition 9, I just had to find out for myself. I spent the last hour A/B'ing the two headphones with trying to focus just on the bass quality, quantity, articulation, and detail, and must say that the two are fairly similar. The Ed. 9 was able to resolve the details better, especially when the bass tracks got more congested. I heard more resonance within the drums and better pitch definition with double bass, however the differences were not all that astounding. True boominess, where the bass lacks definition, has overhang, and muddies the lower midrange is NOT a feature of either of these headphones.

4N6, I was trying to keep you out of this!

Under your definition of "boominess", I will yield and say you are correct. Neither the Ed9's or the D5000's are boomy when framed like that. We are talking about cans that are the flagship for their respective brands...they are not trash. As the goodcans.com guy says "we're in audiophile territory now!"

My original comment was that the Ed9's bass was more boomy in comparison to the 750's. And I stand by that. (and I think you might agree???) The sum-total bass level of the Ed9 is obviously mountains greater than the 750's...In order to extend an olive branch, I will grant that I might be confusing "boomy bass" with "strong bass emphasis", if you know what I mean. Too much emphasis? My gut says yes, but I could be wrong.

I got flustered into defending my statements once the Ed9 Posse got wind of this thread and commenced gorilla warfare. I will try and stay on target in the future.
post #74 of 103
Bootleg, I can see how you would think the ED9 boomy if you were listening to a boomy track, or maybe your amp/source has uncontrolled bass or something. If you posted, I missed it, what were you listening to?
post #75 of 103
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Originally Posted by Bootleg View Post
4N6, I was trying to keep you out of this!

Under your definition of "boominess", I will yield and say you are correct. Neither the Ed9's or the D5000's are boomy when framed like that. We are talking about cans that are the flagship for their respective brands...they are not trash. As the goodcans.com guy says "we're in audiophile territory now!"

My original comment was that the Ed9's bass was more boomy in comparison to the 750's. And I stand by that. (and I think you might agree???) The sum-total bass level of the Ed9 is obviously mountains greater than the 750's...In order to extend an olive branch, I will grant that I might be confusing "boomy bass" with "strong bass emphasis", if you know what I mean. Too much emphasis? My gut says yes, but I could be wrong.

I got flustered into defending my statements once the Ed9 Posse got wind of this thread and commenced gorilla warfare. I will try and stay on target in the future.
No worries! I completely understood what you were trying to say in your original post, and we both agree that the amount of bass with the Edition 9 is much greater than the 750. As stated many times in this thread and by Skylab just a few posts ago, what makes too much, too little, of "just right" bass is completely in the eye of the beholder.
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