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post #46 of 103
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Originally Posted by Bootleg View Post
The bass is certainly big in the Ed 9's, but I would call it boomy bass, not clean and tight like the 750's. The Ed 9's, in my opinion, are beautiful works of headphone art, but on sound quality alone I do not believe the price is justified.
I would call the UE9's bass "clean and tight". Himmmm.....I am glad you are enjoying your 750. And the price of the UE9 is great for the sound; best around for the money, IMO. I have heard one other suggest the use of the word boomy concerning the UE9, but they were coming from the Stax side of the house and had some exposure to the UE7 that set them to have that bias before hearing it. Of course, then again, I know of no other headphone that reproduces 20 hz the way the UE9 does. So the fact that this one does may itself suggest a boomy character for some since it can do something that few others can.

Another concept is that all specific headphones of a particular model may not sound exactly alike and have the exact number of hours use. Then when we are considering the extremely slight nuances we are considering then one person's boomy may be another persons tight.
post #47 of 103
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Originally Posted by Bootleg View Post
I spent some meaningful time with the ED 9's this weekend...comparing them to the PROline 750's.

I thought the Ed 9's had terrible clamping...unbearable. I understand that I might be able to bend them into (out of) shape and cure the problem, but they were not my pair to mess with like that.

The bass is certainly big in the Ed 9's, but I would call it boomy bass, not clean and tight like the 750's. The Ed 9's, in my opinion, are beautiful works of headphone art, but on sound quality alone I do not believe the price is justified.

How much burn in did they have?

What did you think of the build quality?
post #48 of 103
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Originally Posted by stevenkelby View Post
How much burn in did they have?

What did you think of the build quality?

Which? The 750's or the Ed9's?

The Ed9's belonged to my buddy, who has had them for several months. I would presume that they have at least 500 hours on them since I know that he likes to burn his stuff in before subjecting them to critical listening.

The 750's had maybe 100 hours on them....I just got them last week, but I left them burning all night at work for a while.

As to build quality, kindly refer to my earlier posts where I called the Ed9's "works of art". They really are. A+ all the way. Maybe the nicest headphones I have ever seen in terms of build quality, although the JVC's are also beautiful.

The 750's? Pretty good, as far as plastic goes, but I don't like the Liberace Blue Patina and the cups look like they have plastic-foil sticker on the side. I give the 750's a solid B in the build quality category. (dont forget that grado drags down the scale)
post #49 of 103
It has over the past few weeks come to my mind that the UE9 is one of the fastest dynamic headphones made. I use mine single-ended, others have balanced theirs. This would probably make them even faster. Only like something like a Stax is faster in my opinion and once you get so fast this has it's own issues. There is a correct speed and from my limited experience the UE9 has the most balance in this respect. This is opposite to boomy concept, I think. I use "speed" as a term to define the type of attack and flux a note has.
post #50 of 103
What is the size of the carrying case? I have to travel a lot and space everywhere you go now is a premium as is weight on arilines.
post #51 of 103
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What is the size of the carrying case? I have to travel a lot and space everywhere you go now is a premium as is weight on arilines.
The UE9 case is 9"x9.5" (buckle and hinge otherwise square) by almost 2.5 inches tall. Made out of Aluminum and feels very light weight. I don't know how much hard handling it would take.
post #52 of 103
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Originally Posted by Bootleg View Post
The bass is certainly big in the Ed 9's, but I would call it boomy bass, not clean and tight like the 750's. The Ed 9's, in my opinion, are beautiful works of headphone art, but on sound quality alone I do not believe the price is justified.
If you call it boomy bass you should stay away from PS-1, L3000, and HD650 driven SE then...Sorry I couldn't resist.....

So you find the bass better in the 750??? Sorry, but I strongly disagree here...One more time we can see that what is the glory for ones is not for others, i strongly doubt that a difference in hearing could be that big, and i was thinking in a serious mismatch in that system, but in that case, the mismatch would be for both the 750 and the ED9, as they use the same drivers, so I prefer to believe that we hear completely, but completely different, better...sorry but for much that I liked the PROLines, they went to the for sale forum after hearing the ED9, I do believe that non of them can even touch the Editions in performance in any regards...
post #53 of 103
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To address the comfort issue with my Ed9s, I tried a couple of mods posted here in other threads.

The first was cutting a pair of 9 3/16" long chunks out of a computer power cable and stuffing them under the rims of the ear pads. This stands the pads up and keeps them from compressing when they are on your head. Trouble was the clamping force just stamped a hard ring around my ears. My ears did have room to live, but the cable dug into my head and the sound wasn't quite as good. I removed the cable, reserving the idea of maybe trying a smaller cable later.

Next, I tried bending the middle of the headband to relieve the clamping force. If you do this, be careful. I almost bent it too much. As it is the earcups no longer touch when at rest, but there is a LOT less pressure on my head now. Except... where's the bass?!?! Evidently the drivers need to be very close to your ears for the full effect of the Ed9 sound which is the reason for the extreme clamping force. With some adjusting I got the sound back minus a little bass, which was fine with me.

Now I have the cables back under the earpads and with less clamping pressure the stiffer cup rims don't hurt and they help with the seal which preserves more bass. I can recommend these mods if you're having the same comfort issues I did but be careful when you bend the headband and do it a little at a time until it's where you want it.

Thanks to (I think) thread and Sovkiller for the heads-up about the pad and headband mods. If someone else thought of them first, I humbly apologize.

Edit: oh, and to address the boominess issue, I'm finding out that these cans give me everything in a recording and some of the music I listen to has boomy bass in it. It's not the cans, it's the recording itself. Other songs have tight and impactful bass just the way I want it, but if there is boom in the music, I hear it, like it or not. I'm not saying that's the only reason the ED9s boom, but I have noticed it to be true. With the two mods mentioned above, I have a -2 on the Foobar EQ at 110 and 156 Hz and it's perfect for my ears. I hate boomy bass, so keep that in mind.

I have compared songs I think are boomy in the Ed9s with the Denons and they sound fine, but with a boomy fuzz to the bass once I know to listen for it. Then again, I may be taking placebo pills and they are working very well.
post #54 of 103
Thank you Jeff, for writing up this review. It was a pleasant read, simple and understandable.
I didn't notice any comfort issues with the ed9. But ofcourse I didn't use them for hours in a row, since I don't own them and I do have to say, I have a relatively small head I guess and not so big ears.
750 bass sounding better than the ed9 sounds odd to my ears as well, but hey, we all have different ears, and yours must be real pleasing for your wallet
post #55 of 103
Please understand that there was noticeably less bass in the 750's than in the Ed9's.

I just happened to think the Ed9's version was boomy or bloated (maybe only slightly, but I took notes to that effect while listening).

I do not think the 750's are the last word on bass, but I do prefer their "more clean" approach (again from my notes).
post #56 of 103
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If you call it boomy bass you should stay away from PS-1, L3000, and HD650 driven SE then...Sorry I couldn't resist.....
Sorry Sov....I found the ED9. to be more boomy than those cans. The PS-1, L3000, and HD-650 in a great rig all sound exceptional. I think you listened to those headphones in a bad setups. I personally prefer the L3000, and PS1's bass over the ED9's due to more textured and definition. IMO, the Ed.9 and D5000 are very closed in sonic.
post #57 of 103
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Originally Posted by purk View Post
Sorry Sov....I found the ED9. to be more boomy than those cans. The PS-1, L3000, and HD-650 in a great rig all sound exceptional. I think you listened to those headphones in a bad setups. I personally prefer the L3000, and PS1's bass over the ED9's due to more textured and definition. IMO, the Ed.9 and D5000 are very closed in sonic.
This evaluation is very helpful in my understanding of where you are coming from with comparing the D5000 and UE9 as being very similar.

I have listened to both and from my hearing these, they are not similar at all except both are headphones.

Therefore, this difference has to be related much more to how we each perceive the sonic performances of these headphones than the headphones themselves.
post #58 of 103
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Originally Posted by slwiser View Post
This evaluation is very helpful in my understanding of where you are coming from with comparing the D5000 and UE9 as being very similar.

I have listened to both and from my hearing these, they are not similar at all except both are headphones.

Therefore, this difference has to be related much more to how we each perceive the sonic performances of these headphones than the headphones themselves.
In term of bass response. Both of them have plenty of bass quantity. I believe jjcha and canman also felt the same way about the D5000 and UE9.
post #59 of 103
Ditto, the bass of the Ed9 is FAR more controlled than the D5000 in my books. And I agree with all previous posts regarding the boominess only occurring with some recordings. One I have in mind is Extraordinary Machine from Fiona Apple. I get surprised when a contrabass gets boomy sounding. Could it be the recording location? I don't get that from a CD like Buena Vista Social Club for instance.

In the end, it might indeed more have to do with the amount of bass than the actual rendering. The bass does not sound any tighter on the K701 but there's just so much less of it that the booming sound isn't as noticeable.

Humm, maybe I should try bending the headband or the cable mod as both of these must change the effectiveness of the seal?! But truth is, only for my poorly recorded / mastered music it's a little annoying so I don't want to ruin a perfect balance for all the other good recordings!

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Originally Posted by slwiser View Post
This evaluation is very helpful in my understanding of where you are coming from with comparing the D5000 and UE9 as being very similar.

I have listened to both and from my hearing these are nothing similar.

Therefore, this difference has to be related much more to how we each perceive the sonic performances of these headphones than the headphones themselves.
post #60 of 103
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Originally Posted by purk View Post
In term of bass response. Both of them have plenty of bass quantity. I believe jjcha and canman also felt the same way about the D5000 and UE9.
canman heard my UE9 out of my Lavry headamp at the Washington area meet last month and he said the same to me after about 5 seconds of listening. He also said they were very similar to the Edition 7s he heard a couple of years back. Probably a very good method of judging things and a great memory for hearing. He is also the one that I mentioned above that probably comes from the Stax side of the house with his preferences (bias) in hand. edit: Note that it does not appear that canman has a Stax from his profile but this is the headphone he mention to me when I ask him what he was comparing the boomy issue to.

All this information continues to be very helpful to my understanding of where these impressions are coming from.
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