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post #421 of 502
Great work, Tyll. Thanks for clearing this mystery up and now we know why the hd580 and hd650 have simularities in sound; same membrane, different drivers, hence different enough sound.

The only mystery remains why the one who found the hd580 stamped hd650, thinks the hd580 is very close in sound to the hd650, since they don't sound the same to me.
post #422 of 502
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Originally Posted by audiomagnate View Post
Here's my latest theory. The 580/600s share the driver diaphragm with the 650. Someone here said the power handling was rated at 500 ma on the 650 vs 200ma on the 580/600. Although I can't verify the 650 figure, my 580 owner manual says "0.2 W as per DIN 45580." Therefore the voice coils, at the very least, have to to be different. I'm guessing the magnet, suspension and pretty much every other aspect of the driver is different as well.

Now to finish my theory, some bonehead in the manufacturing division decided to to put "HD580" on the latest diaphragm run, just to identify the diaphragms, thinking no one would ever notice, and if they did, they wouldn't care.

I posted this a week ago and got no response.
post #423 of 502
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Originally Posted by audiomagnate View Post
I called Mary Jo at Senn. I'm sure nothing underhanded is going on. Like I said before, the diafram in the 650 is the same as in the 580/600 and some moron stamped the latest run with the HD580 imprint.

...and this on the 30th. Again no response.
post #424 of 502
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...and this on the 30th. Again no response.
You are, indeed, a prophet. A man among men Seriously though, well played.
post #425 of 502
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Originally Posted by n_maher View Post
Thanks Tyll, now in the spirit of this thread I think all the Senn bashers should be forced to issue a very public apology for all of the hate that's been spewed.
No thanks.

It took 21 pages, over 3 weeks and a personal email from a mod here. Why did it fall upon Tyll and Head-fi to have to do a frequency response?


No sorry for the bad feeling caused? Why should we say sorry, its been a theme of this thread, Sennheiser being hard done by.
post #426 of 502
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Originally Posted by Chri5peed View Post
No thanks.

It took 21 pages, over 3 weeks and a personal email from a mod here. Why did it fall upon Tyll and Head-fi to have to do a frequency response?

It fell on me because I wanted to do some damage control on rampant speculation, and I knew that Sennheiser couldn't be as responsive as I could, and because I sell and represent Sennheiser --- at least in my belief in their product.

It's very important to note here that they have nothing to appologize for. Their product is exactly what they represent it to be, in fact it could be argued that it's better. Yes, I'd love for them to have a real-time voice here, and that I'll continue to lobby them to do so. But the fact that they were not immediatly responive to rampant speculation in our small corner of the world when it's not in there current nature to be so is not a failing. Yes, I think it would be benefitial for them to have a real-time presence here, but that's their descision to make.

They don't owe you a personal line of communication for questions about their manufacturing just because you bought a pair of their cans. Yes, they should be responsive to customers questions, but I'll bet they are for the questions that are commonly asked. This was a pretty obscure issue, and they really can't be expected to answer it rapidly or even at all. You got exactly what you expected you were paying for.

Still, Senheiser, if you're listening, I think you would be very well served by having a full-time team of two or three who do nothing but on-line communications and who are directly connected to the Headquarters Marketing Department. And untill you do, I'll continue to try to fairly represent your fine products.
post #427 of 502
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I posted this a week ago and got no response.
Hey, man, sorry I didn't see your post in the thread. THat certainly was a fine piece of thinking, and obviously you and I were on the same pag in the thought process.

The fact that nobody responded to you is an example of the lazy thinking skills that go on on-line. People feel the power of their ability to broadcast their thoughts out into the world and mistake it for being right. In the process they forget they really ought to continue thinking. But it's just so much more fun --- and so much easier --- just to fart out the thoughts running around in their head.
post #428 of 502
^ I appreciate your efforts Tyll, you're lovely.


They're product is not at fault. Like I alluded to, their PR leave a lot to be desired. I personally sent 7 emails and others did as well.

I got not a single, even half-hearted reply, which I'm guessing is a similar story to others.

This is pretty bad.
post #429 of 502
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post
Go back 200 years; how many "stories" did a person get exposed to over a lifetime. They maybe read 100 books, and heard 100 fairy tales; and heard a few dozen or so stories per day from family, friends, and aquaintences. But today! Every commercial is a story. Each thread here is a story. We have meaning after meaning crammed down our throats. We get 100 storys an hour off the TV. Many different and novel. I think we live in an age where people have massive performance anxiety because they can't generate their own stories with the speed and novelty that they are exposed to. People subconsciously want to be a funny as Sienfeld, as smart as Einstein, and as compasionate as Oprah. But there's no friggen way! It's why fundimentalists are so vehament, they think that their moral constructs should have the same kind of power as TV, but they're two very different things. Moral constructs are being challanged and pummeld with novel new meanings like never before. Old moral constructs are being overwhelmed by the need to become more sophistacated to deal with the onslought of meanings.
When I was working on my psych degree, I wrote a paper with a very similar idea. I proposed that the car and the television have actually done far more damage than good. In a pre-automobile world, the majority of people never traveled more than 10 miles or so away from where they were born. A person who dreamt of being rich could look to Mr. Smith, who ran a very successful general store and was on the board of the local bank, and say "One day I can be like him" with a good chance of this being feasible. A person who wanted to be considered beautiful might think "I don't know anyone around here who is prettier than I" and be correct.

Now that long distance travel and communication are staples of life, neither of these are true. You know you're never going to be Donald Trump or Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, and you know you're much less attractive than Angelina Jolie or any of the other current hotties. In my opinion, this has led to massive insecurity in our population. It's virtually impossible to live up to today's standards for anything.
post #430 of 502
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Originally Posted by earwicker7 View Post
Now that long distance travel and communication are staples of life, neither of these are true. You know you're never going to be Donald Trump or Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, and you know you're much less attractive than Angelina Jolie or any of the other current hotties.

In my opinion, this has led to massive insecurity in our population. It's virtually impossible to live up to today's standards for anything.

Hey! the solution is to live in and for the future!

What happens when we meet ETs? They might have better gear and headphones, will you be miserable or envious??

regards
post #431 of 502
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Originally Posted by earwicker7 View Post
A person who dreamt of being rich could look to Mr. Smith, who ran a very successful general store and was on the board of the local bank, and say "One day I can be like him" with a good chance of this being feasible. A person who wanted to be considered beautiful might think "I don't know anyone around here who is prettier than I" and be correct.
It may be true, but it is advocating lower standards. You've more chance of reaching them.

Like if your Dad is a farmer, is your only option being a farmer.


I thought the 'American Dream' was the ability to do anything from any upbringing?
Knowing I'll never be an Olympic athlete is not keeping me awake at night.
post #432 of 502
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Originally Posted by Chri5peed View Post
It may be true, but it is advocating lower standards. You've more chance of reaching them.
I guess it depends on what is important to you. To me, keeping up with the Joneses is not a positive thing, so lowering the desire to do so is raising the standard of being happy and secure. Also, the ability to instantly communicate with someone on the far side of the world makes you much less concerned about the people who actually live close to you. There are numerous studies that have shown that people are becoming more depressed, neurotic, and detached as technology increases. Don't get me wrong... I'm not a Luddite, I don't want to go back to no air conditioning and using leeches for medicinal purposes, but I think the overall effect of fast transportation and long distance communication is negative.
post #433 of 502
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Originally Posted by earwicker7 View Post
There are numerous studies that have shown that people are becoming more depressed, neurotic, and detached as technology increases.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not a Luddite, I don't want to go back to no air conditioning and using leeches for medicinal purposes, but I think the overall effect of fast transportation and long distance communication is negative.
The technology is not the reason, The only and major reason people are becoming more depressed, neurotic and detached is the result of the actions of the psych on society.
post #434 of 502
^earwicker Yeah, like you said, technology has its good and bad points...but I think the good far outweigh the bad.
post #435 of 502
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The technology is not the reason, The only and major reason people are becoming more depressed, neurotic and detached is the result of the actions of the psych on society.
Eh, that's one of those chicken or the egg things.
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