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Originally Posted by Davey View Post

Well, you could say that about the listeners too based on some of the comments above, especially concerning the extremely squashed 2007 Mothership smily_headphones1.gif

I would hope he goes against the trend and gives them back some of the dynamics they had in the beginning. They are likely based on the iTunes remasters.

For anyone interested, there are some high rez transfers around the web of the first 5 records, transferred from commercial analog tape reels, and sounding really good. Look for something like below ...





Funny, Ive listened to Mothership many many times and except for it being a handful of dB louder than the originals (not nearly as bad as many other "loudness war victims"), I hear no evidence of "extremely squashed" compression. Have you actually listened to it or are you simply looking at a spectrum in Audacity?
Edited by palmfish - 11/17/13 at 1:00pm
post #47477 of 57190
Chickenfoot - Soap on a Rope
Liquid Trio Experiment - Chris and Kevin's Bogus Journey
John Petrucci - Jaws of Life
Steve Vai - Bad Horsie

In the mood for prog rock lately smily_headphones1.gif
post #47478 of 57190
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


Funny, Ive listened to Mothership many many times and except for it being a handful of dB louder than the originals (not nearly as bad as many other "loudness war victims"), I hear no evidence of "extremely squashed" compression. Have you actually listened to it or are you simply looking at a spectrum in Audacity?


Of course I've listened to it, in fact I just compared a few versions of "Good Times Bad Times" before my post because I could hardly believe the love for Mothership. I didn't like it when it was released, and still don't. I'll agree it's not the worst remaster out there, but it's still very loud, and for me that means extremely squashed. Just a difference of opinion.

 

But on to the thread subject, right now got some Venus Luxure No.1 Baby by Girls Against Boys going round and sounding pretty nice, well that alternated with some football.


Edited by Davey - 11/17/13 at 1:29pm
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Of course I've listened to it, in fact I just compared a few versions of "Good Times Bad Times" before my post because I could hardly believe the love for Mothership. I didn't like it when it was released, and still don't. I'll agree it's not the worst remaster out there, but it's still very loud, and for me that means extremely squashed. Just a difference of opinion.

 

But on to the thread subject, right now got some Venus Luxure No.1 Baby by Girls Against Boys going round and sounding pretty nice, well that alternated with some football.

 

How do you define extremely squashed? Is it that how you refer to just the loudness difference to some other recording? Only asking as I still have them at hand and will try to get a better understanding of what you refer to.

 

Later edit: On the track mentioned "Good times Bad Times" the instrument separation is to my ears clearly better on Mothership. Example: Seconds roughly 9-10 percussion clearly contoured as opposed to older recording version where it's muddied in the background without as much presence. This is the same with all instruments after a careful listen: better imaging, instrument separation and extension. Also larger soundstage which to my ears is the opposite of what I would call "squashed". It's not a matter of loudness imo. 


Edited by negura - 11/17/13 at 2:21pm
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Listening to Bruce Springsteen - Tunnel of Love / Album

 

After that,

 

The Dark Knight OST :smile_phones:

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Suishou no Fune - Prayer for Chibi

No full album link, will have to shift through single tracks.

[1]  [2]  [3]  [4]  [5]  [6]  [7]  [8]

 

 

 

Les Rallizes Dénudés - Mizutani

 

 

 

Les Rallizes Dénudés - 77' Live

 

 

 

Ohkami no Jikan - Mort Nuit

 

 

 

Hiroshi Higashi - Ikkan No Yo Yo

 

 

 

LSD March - Under Milk Wood

 

 

 

Guru Guru - UFO

 

 

 

阿呆船 - 1st

 

 

 

花電車 - Hanaden Bless All

 

 

 

高田渡 (Wataru Takada) - ごあいさつ

 

 

 

水谷公生 (Kimio Mizutani) - A Path Through Haze

 

 

 

YBO2 - Alienation

 

 

 

美狂乱 (Bi Kyo Ran) -  御伽世界​ (Fairy Tale) Live Vol. 1風魔 (Who Ma) Live Vol. 2 / 乱 (Ran) Live Vol. 3 / Live Vol. 4

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Karuna Khyal - Alomoni 1985

 

 

 


Leb i Sol - Leb i Sol

post #47482 of 57190
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post
 

Suishou no Fune - Prayer for Chibi

No full album link, will have to shift through single tracks.

[1]  [2]  [3]  [4]  [5]  [6]  [7]  [8]

 

 

 

Les Rallizes Dénudés - Mizutani

 

 

 

Les Rallizes Dénudés - 77' Live

 

 

 

Ohkami no Jikan - Mort Nuit

 

 

 

Hiroshi Higashi - Ikkan No Yo Yo

 

 

 

LSD March - Under Milk Wood

 

 

 

Guru Guru - UFO

 

 

 

阿呆船 - 1st

 

 

 

花電車 - Hanaden Bless All

 

 

 

高田渡 (Wataru Takada) - ごあいさつ

 

 

 

水谷公生 (Kimio Mizutani) - A Path Through Haze

 

 

 

YBO2 - Alienation

 

 

 

美狂乱 (Bi Kyo Ran) -  御伽世界​ (Fairy Tale) Live Vol. 1風魔 (Who Ma) Live Vol. 2 / 乱 (Ran) Live Vol. 3 / Live Vol. 4

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Karuna Khyal - Alomoni 1985

 

 

 


Leb i Sol - Leb i Sol


It's the twisted cover art thats getting you isn't it?:D

post #47483 of 57190
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It's the twisted cover art thats getting you isn't it?:D

In a sense, but by god did you really have to quote all of that?

 

It's great to find these things on disc rather than the bootleg cassettes that I do have instead. Transition is "almost" there...

post #47484 of 57190
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post
 

In a sense, but by god did you really have to quote all of that?

 

It's great to find these things on disc rather than the bootleg cassettes that I do have instead. Transition is "almost" there...


Slip of the keyboard:)

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post #47486 of 57190
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Originally Posted by negura View Post
 

 

How do you define extremely squashed? Is it that how you refer to just the loudness difference to some other recording? Only asking as I still have them at hand and will try to get a better understanding of what you refer to.

 

Later edit: On the track mentioned "Good times Bad Times" the instrument separation is to my ears clearly better on Mothership. Example: Seconds roughly 9-10 percussion clearly contoured as opposed to older recording version where it's muddied in the background without as much presence. This is the same with all instruments after a careful listen: better imaging, instrument separation and extension. Also larger soundstage which to my ears is the opposite of what I would call "squashed". It's not a matter of loudness imo.

That was my sense as well as compared to 90 remaster.

 

I looked online and saw a range of opinions. From those like me who feel Mothership improved the sound-less grainy/muddy, and others that probably agree with Davey that it is louder/more treble with poorer dynamics giving the impression of greater clarity.

 

At the end of the day, it just sounds better to me than my 1990 reamster...but it's a subjective call. It sounds much more spacious and clear to me; less muddied as you state. Maybe that clarity equates with squashed.  I'm still learning the nuances...but does a little "louder" necessarily mean poor dynamics?

 

 

 I know I'm not alone in my feeling that previous Zeppelin remastering is lacking.

post #47487 of 57190
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Cool! I havent heard The Cult since their album "Electric," which is now a classic rock album I suppose.

I have Mothership and agree it sounds fantastic. I also have TSRTS on DVD and it sounds as bad as ever - even worse than the original albums...lol. I have their 2003 DVD set with concert footage from Royal Albert Hall, Madison Square Garden, and Knebworth. This set is superb - it was the Zeppelin I had ever heard until I got Celebration Day on BluRay.

 Yeah-I saw Electric/Peace and picked it up knowing nothing about the Peace album. Apparently, after a little research, it looks like the Cult recorded an album before Electric produced by Steve Brown and then scrapped that project and hired Rick Rubin who recorded many of the same songs on the album that became Electric. They left the psychedelic hard rock alternative goth for a more air guitar clinch fisted sound-you can hear the difference in the two albums-Electric combines an AC/DC Zeppelinish sound with their post punk alternative rock sound. This release is pretty cool as it includes Electric and the preceding  Peace that electric morphed into w/ Rick Rubin. Six of the songs on Electric are on Peace with about 5 different tracks.

 

Electric sounds great all these years later-great hard alternative rock album.

post #47488 of 57190

 

Blink - 182 - Greatest Hits

post #47489 of 57190
Y
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

 Yeah-I saw Electric/Peace and picked it up knowing nothing about the Peace album. Apparently, after a little research, it looks like the Cult recorded an album before Electric produced by Steve Brown and then scrapped that project and hired Rick Rubin who recorded many of the same songs on the album that became Electric. They left the psychedelic hard rock alternative goth for a more air guitar clinch fisted sound-you can hear the difference in the two albums-Electric combines an AC/DC Zeppelinish sound with their post punk alternative rock sound. This release is pretty cool as it includes Electric and the preceding  Peace that electric morphed into w/ Rick Rubin. Six of the songs on Electric are on Peace with about 5 different tracks.

Electric sounds great all these years later-great hard alternative rock album.
Yes, and very good recording / production standards. Its still one of my best demo albums for percussion.
post #47490 of 57190
Well then...
I was doing some listening tests with this 24/48 album:


And upon analyzing the waveform in Audacity, I get this. frown.gif
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