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post #31 of 86
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post
IBut the specs you were showing for those products will not help you gauge what the product will sound like. What DAC chips are being used? Buffers? Output stages? Caps? Power supplies? Those are the things we need to know to better get an idea of its sonic signature, assuming the listener has already heard those electronics in other pieces of gear.
I think the thing you need to get an idea of a sonic signature , if they are so very different, is to listen to them. If the specs are of vague helpfulness then the parts list is even less useful. Unless you know extreme details about the circuit design just knowing a few of the parts will not help. Listening however will tell you what you want to know.

As an example some chaps at a Spanish HiFi club tested an Oracle CD player against a Pioneer DVD player, nobody could tell them apart, it is highly likely that the Oracle had boutique parts and the Pioneer a slew of off the shelf parts - though this is a bit speculative on my part (sic). If the two were indistinguishable it may be that the Oracle despite cost and parts was a poor design and the Pioneer optimised its cheap parts with a more appropriate design , or perhaps they were both crap but one was just massively overpriced . If they were both equally good but the pioneer just happened to be 1/60th of the cost then that gives pause...Goldmund for instance rebadge Pioneer DVD players and mark up the price to $12,000.

As for the PS1 SCPH-1001. I only had one for a few weeks but it compared very favourably against my other budget CD players i..e Marantz and Onkyo, beyond that I would not speculate.
post #32 of 86
Those quick to jump and and condemn the PS1 really need to take a couple of chill pills. No, the PS1 is probably not the best cdp player around, buts its pretty darn competent. Way better than anything else i have had in my system. (cpd's up to £200)
it reveals details in cd's that i am extremely familiar with, and have never heard like this before. in fact, whereas before the ps1 i had stopped buying cd's in favor of vinyl, i am back on ebay looking for used cd's to boost my collection.
Dont be too quick to condemn because things seem implausible, ESPECIALLY if you don't actually have any experience to back up your statements.
post #33 of 86
Bah! My chill pills ain't workin!
Why has this thread been dug up?
post #34 of 86
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Originally Posted by jonnywolfet View Post
Dont be too quick to condemn because things seem implausible, ESPECIALLY if you don't actually have any experience to back up your statements.
Wise words.
post #35 of 86
Sounds like people need to defend the money they spent on hi dollar players. Really gets them twisted when some one says they could have enjoyed their music on an under $100 player instead.

And after all, isnt that what this is really about- enjoying the music??
We should not let it turn into a who has the coolest, most expensive toy contest. If somebody says they like the sound of a PS1, modded or not, whats wrong with that? Some of the most musical sounding systems I have heard were not mega buck, shiny toy, latest, greatest, tweeker fi systems.

New, complex, costly, latest tech, latest chips, dacs, etc, does not assure enjoyable sound either. But it does get you to spend more money!
post #36 of 86
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Originally Posted by Budgie View Post
Sounds like people need to defend the money they spent on hi dollar players. Really gets them twisted when some one says they could have enjoyed their music on an under $100 player instead.
Thats a bit silly. I could just as easily say "Sounds like someone needs to defend the fact hey can't afford a high dollar CDP....". Which is equally ridiculous.

My only beef has been with those that need to justify their experience with a PS1 by placing it on some dollar scale.
post #37 of 86
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My only beef has been with those that need to justify their experience with a PS1 by placing it on some dollar scale.
That's what my neighbor does and it always drives me crazy. Sure, he's got great equipment... $70,000 of it... but whenever he tells me about a piece of his, he always mentions the price first.... "my $13,000 CD player, my $7,000 amp, my $13,000 speakers...." and he always says that something 1/4 the price couldn't possibly sound as good.

It gets a bit annoying.
post #38 of 86
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My only beef has been with those that need to justify their experience with a PS1 by placing it on some dollar scale.
Umm, I doubt that, White Mike. I'm sure people who've followed some of the PS1 threads here would attest that your negativity or aversion toward the PS1 wasn't limited to some dollar scale issue.
post #39 of 86
But that was so long ago... I've since refined my ire!

Regardless, I managed to pick up a SCPH-1002 for the princely sum of half a Corona so I can compare it against my NAD, Cambridge and Classe sources...
post #40 of 86
i look forward to reading what you think about the playstation. please try to be as open minded as possible, and give it some time before you make your mind up!
post #41 of 86
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Originally Posted by White Mike View Post
Thats a bit silly. I could just as easily say "Sounds like someone needs to defend the fact hey can't afford a high dollar CDP....". Which is equally ridiculous.

My only beef has been with those that need to justify their experience with a PS1 by placing it on some dollar scale.
So you agree with me.
post #42 of 86
(Later that week-) I ended up with a SCPH 5501. I took the output directly off the DAC (AKM 4309) to a pair of quality caps (nos 4mfd polypropylene in oil) and disconnected everything else in the audio down stream. Before mod-ing, it did sound good, but a bit "hairy" in the treble. Now the sound is crystal clear, detailed and very three dimensional. Much more organic sounding then I am used to from digital.

The only problem I see right now is this my PS1 is very vibration sensitive. Doesn't take much to cause it to "hang" for a second or two. It does find and pick up were it left off, though.

I am very happy with the sound of this hack, and look forward to reboxing and moving the power supply into a shielded box.

added- According to the DAC data sheet, external IV conversion is not needed. AKM suggests at least a 1 mfd coupling cap. The L/R dac outputs have about 2.5 vdc on them.
post #43 of 86
so playstation that is, I will look for one next time I found myself in a thrift store.

Hopefully it won't cost more than $5, I don't like to pay more than a lunch meal's price for a gaming station, since I don't play any video games, at all.
post #44 of 86
is 1001 the only good model? I checked out a couple PS1's today, they were like 7001, 9001, etc (and the price was way high for an old machine, like $15~$25).
post #45 of 86
I really cannot belevie that~~~
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