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post #16 of 47
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72 hr. report. The extra imaging is still present and the steely sound reported yesterday at about 55 hrs. is gone. Slightly warmer presence at this time.
post #17 of 47
Very interesting. I also picked up a pair. For $33.59 including shipping, worst case scenario is that I don't like them, but then I've disliked dinners that cost a lot more. Best case scenario is that I have a new decent sounding full-size can that I don't mind taking around with me outside the house or leaving out at work.
post #18 of 47
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Just got home 102 hr. update. They have smoothed out more, and I am liking them more over my K701 and Koss Pro 4AAT's (full size cans, not IEM's reporting only). I will keep breaking them in until I notice no immediate changes. Shooting for up to 200 hrs. If some place between 200 I notice no more changes, I will be working on a review, so stay tuned. Don't know if I will do a long review or mini review.

For anyone looking for a great inexpensive close headphone, I highly recommend these, and I can say to my ears, they compete with many cans costing much more than their price.
post #19 of 47
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Originally Posted by TempestX View Post
Just got home 102 hr. update. They have smoothed out more, and I am liking them more over my K701 and Koss Pro 4AAT's (full size cans, not IEM's reporting only). I will keep breaking them in until I notice no immediate changes. Shooting for up to 200 hrs. If some place between 200 I notice no more changes, I will be working on a review, so stay tuned. Don't know if I will do a long review or mini review.

For anyone looking for a great inexpensive close headphone, I highly recommend these, and I can say to my ears, they compete with many cans costing much more than their price.
Mine will arrive on friday.....OMG...
post #20 of 47
i think they look some what like the rp-21's.
post #21 of 47
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They do a little, but the head-band is pretty much an exact replica of the Ultrasone. Please do not take my ears as the be all end all of these phones. Everything in the sound could continue to change and I might go, yuck, what was I thinking.

You know I don't want to upset any Head-fi listeners here. The rath of Head-fi would be upon me.
post #22 of 47
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Changes still occuring. Late last night bass, became very pronounce very strong. 124 hrs. bass smooth again and mellow. Listening to the same set of tracks for reference (light rock, metal, classical, pop, and r&b). That is all for now. Mid and high-end clarity are very nice.
post #23 of 47
How is the detail level and resolution on these? How is the speed? I am deciding on a cheap closed can between these and re-purchasing a pair of PHX-Pro's. I am leaning toward the Numark's since they are fast and neutral. I'm still not sure if these aren't a slower, more bass heavy can, although good sounding.
post #24 of 47
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Originally Posted by jant71 View Post
How is the detail level and resolution on these? How is the speed? I am deciding on a cheap closed can between these and re-purchasing a pair of PHX-Pro's. I am leaning toward the Numark's since they are fast and neutral. I'm still not sure if these aren't a slower, more bass heavy can, although good sounding.
Bass detail when their sound is at a smooth state during break-in is very nice and you can hear the kick hitting the bass drum. Mids level detail is great for male and female vocals alike. Some of the best i have heard, hearing every breathe and the raspiness in performers voices as if you were there live. Treble energy and extension is nice, and you can hear sticks hit the high-hats/cymbals. Everything sounds live/real.

It is neutral and clean to my ears, has the right amount of decay on notes, and is at a great state at the time of this writing. Understand though, that they are continuing to change. If they were to stay like this, at this state, I would be very happy. They are an excellent find. As far as speed, they play to the recorded music. I would say the transient speed is as fast or faster than my k701, and definitely has a better bass punch. (Just as much bass extention as the AKG, but with punch you can feel, non-bloated) Same goes for the 3d imaging/positioning, which I am liking, again to my ears.

As far as the Numark's, I have never heard them, but they also look like an Ultrasone clone, especially the headband and design.

Stopping here as I am not writing a review.
post #25 of 47
Just my first impression, the sound is good, but the specs are wrong, sensitivity is far from being 102db/mW....construction is cheap, nothing like the Ultrasones, the cups are a cheap black imitation of the Sony V700DJ, with a different headband, like the HD280, or Ultrasone, in shape, nothing else, very light, not weight at all, let's see about the sound later on...they are power hungry, ala Beyer DT880....
post #26 of 47
Thanks for the info Tempest. I have a CD2000 and can plug their cable into either of them and get a nice improvement for zero extra bucks. Either should end up sounding quite good and be a nice value.

The Numarks are 107db/mw and I thought that was underestimated. I could(and did) use them as travel speakers. I was hoping the Staggs were more portable friendly. I have a Supermicro coming to me so it isn't a big deal.
post #27 of 47
post #28 of 47
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Thanks for the feedback Sovkiller. I agree they are not Ultrasone, but the headband is similar. I think it is the same thing for the Numark's, but they look better and come with extra ear pads. I have not done anything since yesterday with them since 128 hrs of break-in. Meaning I did not have them running through the night and all day today. I am sure they will continue to change as I break them in more. If they kept the some from the 120 hr mark, they would be excellent. They continued to smooth out.

You have me puzzled by the hard to drive. My headphone amp dials to 10, but I only have to use up to 2 before they get too loud. Also my dedicated stereo amp I only go to 2 as well. They are very efficient with my amps.

Happy listen!
post #29 of 47
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Well Head-fi, this will be a long read for a non-review. Let the controversy begin (price performance, and sound ratio). “As with all things in life, this is only an impression from one mans point of view, with everyone else ears being different”.

I have to say that this Stagg SHP-4500 is the best cheap headphone I have heard to date. And let me tell you, I have heard plenty of headphones over the years. I am scratching my head.

Yes, they look just ok, are cheap cost wise, and are not talked about or even heard by a lot of folk hear. I found only 3 threads here on Head-fi via a search, mentioning Stagg after I bought them, with the oldest thread going back to 2004. However, I have to say that these sound many times better than what their price or their looks suggest. After all, we all in this hobby strive for great sound right?

Many would say TempestX you are crazy, but I would say, these are like a diamond in a rough that will just amaze you. Like most things in life, you know the phrase “Don’t judge a book by its cover” that is where these fall/land. Or you could say in the case of these Stagg, “Don’t judge its sound by its looks or its price”.

I personally have the money to buy more expensive phones such as the Edition 9, the $900-1000 Grado GS 1000 etc., but I like looking for interesting things others don’t. Plus there are other things I like putting my money into. Yes, it is a sacrifice (MEH) I put onto myself for my family. Don’t get me wrong though, I will spend money. Example: I have owned the E500’s 3 times, still prefer the SF5pro. Own the triple.fi 10 pro limited, K701, and had many other phones prior to that.

I preferred the Koss Pro 4AAT over the K701 per one of my reviews because its sound was just right. It got cymbals, vocals, the saxophone, guitars, and snares just right and accurate to my ears. I know I’m crazy because common knowledge says this can’t be so, but I have/had a reference of my son playing his sax, guitar, and his keyboards for me.

These have become my favorite phone so far, for the fraction of the cost of my other phones and equipment, except maybe the Koss KSC75. They sound so life-like and real it is unbelievable. One listen of the Ultrasone CD or any live music for that matter just makes you say, am I hearing this, are the entertainers performing here live in my home. This just puts a big smile on my face it is not even funny.

My Koss Pro 4AAT are now number 2, K701 number 2a, triple.fi is 1a, and the Stagg SHP-4500 are my number 1 phone at this time to my ears.

Cost perspective:
K701 = 8 Stagg ($300 when I got them)
Triple.fi 10 pro = 11 Stagg ($400 when I got them)
Koss Pro 4AAT = 2 to 3 Stagg dependant upon on where you buy them
25 Stagg for the price of the Grado GS 1000 at est. $900
31 Stagg for the price of the Edition 9 at $1100, and about 42 if at $1500

The point I am trying to make, is that these phones are better then I could have imagined. I was only looking for a cheap closed phone for work, and decided to give them a try after I saw them at my local Musicians Headquarters. Everyone can say what they will, but I will be picking up a few extra pair should something happen to my current pair. If I had heard these prior to getting/trying more expensive phones, I would be like; I’m spending this much money for what kind of sound again? I am strictly speaking price performance ratio cost justification here. I could live with these as my only headphone. They are that good.

Moral of the writing of this long post is; don’t judge everything by price alone or its looks. Did I just say this? (Yes) Most of the time price justifies quality, sound, but this Stagg just has me scratching my head with its sound for its price. Did I mention the sound of these again?

I have included some pictures of the drivers from the left where the cord attaches and detaches. They are not angled or show any signs of Ultrasone except a similar headband. The Numark PHX-pro mentioned by jant71 in this thread also has a similar headband/look, and I am sure many other phones out there do as well that we hear little about.

I am still pushing for the 200 + hr mark and may do a review, but I think I have given a few of my thoughts within this thread. I will be happy however to see what Sovkiller thinks of these once he gets more hours on his pair, even if it is just from a price/performance perspective regarding their sound.

In the end as in the beginning of this writing, “As with all things in life, this is only an impression from one mans point of view, with everyone else ears being different”.

Happy listening Head-fi! I still have this big smile on my face.
post #30 of 47
Well I got them, heard them for a three days now, the sound is indeed decent, but not too much rave about them, and even while I can imagine how the burn in may improve them in the comming days, honestly for my use, I feel that they are a waste of time, to try to enjoy them, having the Editions around. Cheap sound, cheap construction, and cheap fit, they are very light indeed.

Now if you ask me about the sound, IMO it will be a fair comparison if you use the lower end Koss as the KSC35, 75, etc...but if you use the Portapros instead, I preffer them by a good margin, honestly there is nothing else about them IMHE till now unless a miracle, and that is why not in vane you will not find too much comments on that sound around here...

One thing is true, they will serve my purpose, very well... ... so right now the end will be that the drivers will be replaced for two CD3K drivers, as it is indeed a plug and play replacement...What I was looking for...
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