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post #46 of 67
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i think im going to go for a wooaudio 3+ or 6
post #47 of 67

A sample of what China can produce

Well, enough debates.

Let's see some of the products "made in China" for the Hi-Fi circle. Just to showcase the outcome of Hong Kong's brain work coupled to the resourcefulness of mainland China's production.

AudioSpace a Hong Kong based audio design company focusing at tubed components. Guess where they got all these products made ? Look at those beautiful craftmanship !

IsoClean Power is another Hong Kong based high-end audio power transmission company, focusing on cables, power supply, and vibration control. Again, guess where do they get this made out of Hong Kong ?

Sound Mechanics is a Hong Kong based company focusing on development of acoustic products for the hi-fi circle - shelf, platforms, isolators, traps... and they are offering some of the best value for money in this product segment. Again, see what the world factories in China can produce !

And I think these are all good news - great design, best of bleed workmanship, a competitive pricing ! Isn't this great ?

After all, "made in China" is not necessarily "low-end" - quality or price-wise

F. Lo
post #48 of 67
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Originally Posted by Dept_of_Alchemy View Post
EDIT: Of course, there are the Antique Sound Lab tube amps that never seem to get any reviews on head-fi, they're American too.
are you sure asl is american? I read somewhere that asl products are manufactured in china.. ?
post #49 of 67
David Bowie - China Girl
post #50 of 67
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Originally Posted by fkclo View Post
After all, "made in China" is not necessarily "low-end" - quality or price-wise

F. Lo
And here is what I believe to be the benchmark of "Made in China" hi-fi products :

Opera Consonance - Stunning, non-conventional design, superb performance, and value for money. I wish I can afford some

F. Lo
post #51 of 67
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Originally Posted by fkclo View Post
And here is what I believe to be the benchmark of "Made in China" hi-fi products :

Opera Consonance - Stunning, non-conventional design, superb performance, and value for money. I wish I can afford some

F. Lo
I couldn't agree with you more on that one !

I previously owned a Consonance M100 that I converted to use KT88 tubes instead of the standard EL34's as the power transformers in the Consonance are over spec'd and this amp performed like no other ! It rocked
the house with verve and pace at about 40watts per channel valve power and had more than enough current to drive my pair of Dynaudio Contour 1.3's which the top of the line Prima Luna tube amp couldn't keep up with !
This amp used WIMA and Rubycon caps and ALP Blue Velvet pot as standard !
post #52 of 67
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Originally Posted by ueyteuor View Post
i think im going to go for a wooaudio 3+ or 6
Nice choices there
post #53 of 67
I want to search for products made in China first as they provide great value. In a few years, almost every company will have manufacturing exposure in China, including car companies.
post #54 of 67
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Originally Posted by ueyteuor View Post
are you sure asl is american? I read somewhere that asl products are manufactured in china.. ?
Looking at their website it doesn't state explicitly where manufacturing takes place, but its clear that they want you to know they operate a number of key production areas. If you're that concerned then drop them an e-mail.
post #55 of 67

Chinese Amps

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Originally Posted by jdimitri View Post
Well times are changing and many fine equipments are made in china..
I don't really look at where things made anymore (except for guitars)

But.. there's meier amps www.meier-audio.de if you really want something well, designed by a german dude
I thought that I read somewhere that Meier designed/engineered his products in Germany but that they were built for him in China. If so, no problems there. Chinese products are continually improving and their high-end efforts are as good if not a better value than many others produced elsewhere.
post #56 of 67

Ditto...

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Originally Posted by itsborken View Post
x2.

The world hates us because we look down our noses at everyone else. No, they didn't just start hating us because of Regan/Bush; it was going on before that. It's because our population is closed-minded and arrogant. OP, thank you for perpetuating the stereotyping of America. You do more harm to our country than China.

Oh and I'm conservative by the way, not some red-commie-left wing loon.
You are so right!

It's as though no one in the US has ever studied economics, or the history of the Roman Empire... or studied any of the relevant philosophers... or is remotely familiar with Maslow's Theory... and is totally ignorant of the relevant factual data from the BLS and related Depts regarding US employment and economic trends since the '70's... etc., etc., etc...

Our educational systems are failing us.

I'm so amused by all the "dunces" lined up on the union picket lines outside any number of our manufacturing plants protesting for $75 / hr compensation rates, as in the auto industry, (just before they close the plants and move to China). As soon as they're finished with their shift, they run to Walmart and buy that $200 big screen TV... made in China... rather than that $2,000 TV made in the USA by the same union workers making $75 / hr (total compensation) at that plant that's about to close.

They're losing their jobs, because they refuse to pay their own labor rates for the goods they produce themselves. And... they all have 2 or 3 of those TV's, and PC's, and cars, and air conditioners... and... and... all made in China, because of the price level disparity between the US and China - that is, they've all got a lot better lives and a hell of a lot more "stuff" because they buy all their "stuff" from mfrs in China (and other developing economies).

But... of course our ignorant media and population all blame those "evil corporations," (who we all own by the way) or "those rascally Republicans," or anyone... but... who is actually responsible... US. The "fat, lazy, bums - who are buying all those great products made elsewhere, and who are unwilling to work the long, hard hours at reasonable labor rates... in order to keep our jobs!

It's our own "decadance" that is the root cause of our issues - just as it was in the Roman Empire. And virtually all of our "PC" institutions do nothing but reinforce this trend towards destroying individual incentives for achievement - which contribute to our continued decline (i.e. creeping "PC" and socialism - of which none of our younger population has any comprehension or understanding - because they've never been educated).

And... we are all fat and lazy... and unwilling to work for reasonable labor rates... unwilling to make the personal sacrafices... that others in developing economies find acceptable... and that our people found acceptable in the 19th and 20th centuries in the US. What our parents and grandparents were willing to do... we no longer are. Many of us no longer even know how... or, that we must... in order to attain the wealth we desire, but for some incomprehensible reason think "we are owed."

And... others from afar... look at our fat, lazy, decandant lifestyles... and our failure to appreciate the quality of our lives here in the US... and resent us... because they have to make such great sacrafices for such meager lifestyles... and we have such little appreciation for what our parents and grandparents have achieved for us... for which we're no longer willing to sacrafice.

So... I... for one... think its grand... that other economies are growing... and becoming more free and open... which will incent their people to make the personal sacrafices to work hard and achieve personal wealth... and improved lifestyles - not only so we can all buy their great products at reasonable prices... but also... so that they can afford to buy ours... and that... some day in the distant future... our people will "have learned their lesson" and will once again be incented and willing to make personal sacrafices to work hard and achieve personal wealth. Unfortunately... it looks like it will be "later than sooner" - we've got a bit of a decline to go yet... before all of our dunces "get it."
post #57 of 67
FLo,

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Well, enough debates.

Let's see some of the products "made in China" for the Hi-Fi circle. Just to showcase the outcome of Hong Kong's brain work coupled to the resourcefulness of mainland China's production.

AudioSpace a Hong Kong based audio design company focusing at tubed components. Guess where they got all these products made ? Look at those beautiful craftmanship !

IsoClean Power is another Hong Kong based high-end audio power transmission company, focusing on cables, power supply, and vibration control. Again, guess where do they get this made out of Hong Kong ?

Sound Mechanics is a Hong Kong based company focusing on development of acoustic products for the hi-fi circle - shelf, platforms, isolators, traps... and they are offering some of the best value for money in this product segment. Again, see what the world factories in China can produce !

And I think these are all good news - great design, best of bleed workmanship, a competitive pricing ! Isn't this great ?

After all, "made in China" is not necessarily "low-end" - quality or price-wise

F. Lo
Very good points made in your previous posts and even better examples listed above - all which I own and/or have owned in the past.

Running a company in Hong Kong that works in tandem with one over the border in Shenzhen, I can personally attest to the fact that quality levels in our plant now regularly exceed those of our plants in the US, Europe, and Mexico. So much so that now all of our divisions worldwide prefer that production, when feasible, take place here in China.

As many have posited, proper QC and internal check and balances are the key. IMO, this is the area where China is lacking due to a number of factors that one could probably right a book about.

That said, with many, many examples of very well made products coming from China, labeling all products in one category or another seems a bit unfair. As one of the posters above mentioned, product quality, whether in China or elsewhere, in the end will improve by how people vote with their respective wallets. Given human nature, this basic incentive will insure that, over the long term, quality will improve and VFM will follow likewise.


Bootleg,



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Globalization has made exotic and beautiful asian women available to fat white guys the world over...so it can't be all that bad.

...but I digress.


Ahhhhhh, delicious - finally, the real truth. One important caveat though - I'm not that fat .

Gentlemen flame on !!!!

Cheers,
Garry
post #58 of 67
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Bootleg,



Ahhhhhh, delicious - finally, the real truth. One important caveat though - I'm not that fat .

Gentlemen flame on !!!!

Cheers,
Garry

Garry,

I AM that fat (290lb, but at 6'1" I carry it well...or so people say to my face) and I wouldn't give up my 95 lb Japanese wife for anything in the world.

You speak like a man who has had the opportunity to sample some of the fine delicacies of the far east. If I was still single I'd join you in HK and we'd take over the town.

All I can say is: THEM'S GOOD EATIN'

...but I digress.

Bootleg
post #59 of 67
There is nothing wrong being made in China. It is the man who builds the amp determining the quality. Anyone from anywhere could bulid anything very well with his hardworking and creativity. Why not?
post #60 of 67
Just a small picture to convince you about Chinese products (I live in Japan and married with a 100 lbs Japanese wife, if that even matters) ):

Now, you'll need at least double the amount of money this system costs, to even approach the same quality level from any other European, American or Japanese maker...
BTW, for the interested, I have 180 LBS at 187 cm (sorry, too lazy to translate that in feet and inch) ) . ..
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