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post #811 of 1070
I have been interested in the Lisa III but the up and down response bothers me. When a question takes a day or two to get answered that is reasonable.
post #812 of 1070
Well Brad got back to me again immediately and he is still waiting on the second part wanting to send them together. I have told him all along that they are nothing urgent so it's no big deal. After seeing some people saying they were having a hard time getting a hold of him i got alittle worried. I'm sure he has alot on his plate and we are not always the most patient crowd over here.
post #813 of 1070
Great to hear. The wood cases look very nice. I wonder when a balanced Lisa is coming out?
post #814 of 1070
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
Great to hear. The wood cases look very nice. I wonder when a balanced Lisa is coming out?
That would be twice as big and take 4 9v batteries at least. I don't think it will ever come out unless there is a DIY version, it doesn't make much sense to me either way. XLR connectors even are so large. Thats beyond transportable.
post #815 of 1070
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
Great to hear. The wood cases look very nice. I wonder when a balanced Lisa is coming out?
I guess there is no plan for a balanced LISA. On a casual chat with Phil he did mention somewhere in his brain there is an itch, or desire, to create an ultimate, cost-no-object amp - which will likely feature balanced. But his has no firm plan to make it happen. However, I do not recall ideas of a balanced LISA.

F. Lo
post #816 of 1070
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Originally Posted by manaox2 View Post
That would be twice as big and take 4 9v batteries at least. I don't think it will ever come out unless there is a DIY version, it doesn't make much sense to me either way. XLR connectors even are so large. Thats beyond transportable.
Not twice as big, the Lisa has already three channels, don't forget that, you are just adding another one, and making them not unity gain. A little big bigger yes...as per the batteries it will work perfectly with the two 9V it already has, maybe they will last a little less, about the plugs, well you do not necessarily need an XLR to be balanced, you can use two mono miniplugs, the XLR was adopted to be consequent with he PRO standard but the is no standard for balanced audiophile gear to be XLR at all, indeed the first ones were implemented using two 1/4 mono plugs...but in all honestly, Phil is not too fond of balanced operation, so I do not think he will be interested in getting one done....
post #817 of 1070
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Not twice as big, the Lisa has already three channels, don't forget that, you are just adding another one, and making them not unity gain. A little big bigger yes...as per the batteries it will work perfectly with the two 9V it already has, maybe they will last a little less, about the plugs, well you do not necessarily need an XLR to be balanced, you can use two mono miniplugs, the XLR was adopted to be consequent with he PRO standard but the is no standard for balanced audiophile gear to be XLR at all, indeed the first ones were implemented using two 1/4 mono plugs...but in all honestly, Phil is not too fond of balanced operation, so I do not think he will be interested in getting one done....
Your right, I didn't flesh out the details. I think that I agree with Phil on the LISA current design.

@Sovkiller: I have also heard interesting things about the UE9 not actually liking balanced operation much either.
post #818 of 1070
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Originally Posted by manaox2 View Post
Your right, I didn't flesh out the details. I think that I agree with Phil on the LISA current design.

@Sovkiller: I have also heard interesting things about the UE9 not actually liking balanced operation much either.

IMO very sensitive headphones in general do not "really need" the balanced topology to really shine, that is IMHO the case of the Editions, they sound as good as they get out of my RPX33 in SE topology, I have tried them out of other balanced amps, and I did not like what I heard, that is a trade off, the bass suffer IMO considerably to be acceptable for what I like out of them...and the rest remains the same, and if any difference, IMO do not justify the trade off...
post #819 of 1070
Have you seen the new WOODIE LISA III
Wow!! they look as good as they sound!!
LISA-III eSnips Folder
post #820 of 1070
So now that the Lisa lll has been out for awhile.....Does it definately blow away the RS71, PRll, Pico, Predator, 2Move, AE-1, Voyager, IQube, MiniBox E+, Xin's amps, and the Woo3, Portaphile v2^2 Maxxed, ......or does anyone dissagree on that?

Does it totally blow them ALL away....or you just like it a bit better than this or that one? Betters top portables by 25%? 50%? Slam-Dunks the mothers by 200%?

Ive read whatever i can find on it so far, and people have mentioned it sounding better than all the amps mentioned above, but i dont really have concrete reasons why it sounds better than each amp. Slam? Warmer? Just preference? More of an open window?

If its really that much better, then i want one, and the heck with the size of it.

Im imagining its about the size of my MaxiMoy but like an inch or so longer. Its big, but id carry it sometimes anyway, depending on where im going.
The amps mentioned above have been praised, worshipped, and bowed to by many people on this forum as the ultimate portables out here, and the Lisa lll has been getting praises here too....but i just want to be totally sure its not FOTM, or Phil Loracco fanboyism, or for any reasons other than sound.

If its that great, then i really dont think $500usd and change is alot for what ya get.

Also, has anyone used it as a pre-amp on a home speaker stereo?
Does it drive a home amp well?

Also....with a gain of only 5 and using 2 9v batteries, how does it drive fullsized cans better than a Hornet, when the Hornet has a gain of 11 ?
post #821 of 1070
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Also....with a gain of only 5 and using 2 9v batteries, how does it drive fullsized cans better than a Hornet, when the Hornet has a gain of 11 ?
no lol.

Gain is just merely the amount of multiplication you'd like. Lisa III is just the same. You can get a gain of 11 easily. They all depend on HOW LOUD you actually want the output signal to be.

Well, if we're talking about voltage swing, the LISA III definitely beats the Hornet with 18V of source voltage instead of hornet's 9V.

post #822 of 1070
In my opinion, the LISA III and the Hornet belongs to different sonic class. There is no comparison.

F. Lo
post #823 of 1070
Just ordered a Lisa III XP this afternoon.

Will the Elpac WM080-1950-760 adapter (mentioned previously in this thread) be able to charge/power my Lisa properly? Apparently the Lisa requires a 2.1mm output connector, but I looked at the Elpac's datasheet and the output connector is 2.5mm...

Fkclo, when you said earlier that your 2.5mm connector didn't work, did it mainly work but required some fidgeting with, or did it not work at all? What happened?
post #824 of 1070
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Originally Posted by dgm View Post
Fkclo, when you said earlier that your 2.5mm connector didn't work, did it mainly work but required some fidgeting with, or did it not work at all? What happened?
You can imagine a 2.5mm plug will fit in a jack designed for 2.1mm plug, but there will be clearance. So contact may not be perfect.

Since there is no charging indicator on your XP it will be difficult to tell if the battery actually charge or not, and that was my problem using a 2.5mm plug.

I am pretty sure there are 2.1 mm plugs around. When I bought the Voyager, the charger comes with a 2.5 mm - 2.1 mm plug converter, so I guess this should be available off the shelf.

Regards,
F. Lo
post #825 of 1070
I searched for DC power plug adapters and found this:

http://www.action-electronics.com/dc...s.htm#Adapters

The 2.5 X 5.5 mm to 2.1 X 5.5 mm adapter should work. Also found this thing:

DC POWER PLUG CONVERTER, CONVERTS 2.5MM TO 2.1MM | All Electronics Corp - Parts, Supplies and Components
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