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post #46 of 76
Yay, I'm getting the book today!

I can't wait to get all of the "omg how's it going to end?" out of me.
post #47 of 76
Fitfy people have written reviews on Amazon already, and the score is only 3.5 / 5 stars:

http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-D...e=UTF8&s=books

Fast readers are hard to please, or let´s see how that score evolves with time.

Looking forward to the book, and to posting my own impressions and opinion after reading it.
post #48 of 76
Got my book. See you guys until I'm done with this book.
post #49 of 76
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets/Half Blood Prince spoiler follows:

rsaavedra - Within the second book, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, the journal/diary within Ginny Weasley's possession was a horcrux, was it not? I believe this was the first introduction of a horcrux, however, it was never mentioned as to what it exactly was until The Half Blood Prince. That said, the fact that it took Harry and Dumbeldore almost and entire book to find one makes me wonder how Harry himself will manage to find the rest...

And am I the only one who feels that killing off Dumbeldore is like killing off Jesus? The man is like, all-knowing; God in human form... And who else is pissed that the first actor who played Dumbeldore in the movies was seemingly perfectly cast, and then they replaced him with quite possibly the worst interpretation of the character?!



On a seperate note, I was fortunate enough to not read antiant's post, however, if the spoiler had anything to do with what I think it may have concerned, I believe J. K. Rowling had mentioned something to that effect in an interview that is quite publicly accessible. Can anyone back that statement up?


Edit: "no spoilers!" was in reference to the latest installment of the series, and not all the books in general, correct? I don't mind this post being deleted if it is at all inappropriate.
post #50 of 76
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Originally Posted by khbaur330162 View Post
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets/Half Blood Prince spoiler follows:

rsaavedra - Within the second book, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, the journal/diary within Ginny Weasley's possession was a horcrux, was it not? I believe this was the first introduction of a horcrux.

Yes, so says book 6 only.

Spoiler warning for Book 6







In books 1 and 5 there was no such thing as a horcrux. There never was a reference about something keeping a piece of a wizards' soul to make him immortal. I don't mean it had to be explained in such detail in earlier books, but at least incomplete hints about "some objects" somehow related to Voldemort's alleged immortality should have popped up here and there, at least in secret conversations between Dumbledore and other high level wizards, not involving the kids. Or otherwise, the word "horcrux" should have been mentioned in some mysterious context, with no explanation whatsoever. At least that. But nope.

In any case, such incomplete hints/clues would have made all the sense (imho) had Mrs. Rowling had horcruxes in mind from the beginning. But there had been no such clues at all, no people wondering in detail about that, not even a partial comment or conversation left unexplained. Nothing. Doesn´t matter that book six picks the diary, could have picked something else suitable enough indicating that such thing was also a horcrux. The fact that book 6 says the diary in book 2 was a horcrux is a "backward" sort of explanation or match, not a "forward" clue coming from previous books. "Forward" clues about horcruxes, and how crucial they would become to the story, were completely absent in books 1 to 5, at least in my point of view. (There might be a precise technical term in writing for what I'm calling forward clues, I just don´t know that term.)

Honestly, I believe the horcruxes were a late invention of Mrs. Rowling. Obviously she couldn´t give her readers clues about something she hadn´t though of yet. She didn´t have horcruxes in mind when writing the first five books. That´s why there were absolutely no forward hints, not even partial ones, about them. This is only a conjecture of course, but in any case, such a late introduction of such a crucial component to the story in my opinion dimishes the greatness of the whole series.

I agree with you the actor playing Dumbledore is terrible, doesn´t project at all the charisma and personality of the wizard in the book. But I disagree with respect to the actor in the first movie. I don´t think he was good enough either.
post #51 of 76
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I don't remember the first book in great detail, but I can't see why an author would 'villify' their protagonists. If a character is meant to be disliked, then, of course it will be described in a bad light. That's, well, literary technique, no? And rather rudimentary, at that. The 'top manager at a hardware store' is, Im sure, Harry's uncle, what'shisname Dursley, and is a generally unsavory, evil-uncle type. His reaction makes perfect sense, in the context of the story. I'm wondering, what makes hardware management such a high mark on the scale of things? A hardware manager wouldn't flip a bit over his hated nephew's introduction to a world that he utterly despises? Dursley is a prat, so he acts like one. What does his vocation have to do with this? I apologise if I'm missing something, but I find that critique to be quite laughable.
An author worth her salt will not paint big glowing labels "FAT!!", "DUMB!!", "EVIL!!" over the foreheads of her characters; she will leave it to the readers to figure out, and that is what I call literary technique. Even writers for children understand that: manga and animes are never short of subtly portrayed characters with conflicting motivations, and children have no trouble relating to them. Rowling really have no excuse in doing such an abominable job in characterisation; what she lacks is the ability.

Likewise, if you want to portray a top manager, you don't just give him a sticker saying "HE IS BOSS"; you have to give examples about his shrewdness, his problem-solving skills, or failing that, at least some common sense. Uncle Dursley has this problem: he has grudgingly allowed someone in his extended family, not exactly treasure in anyone's eye, to live under his roof, and now, after many long years, someone offers to take this pain away! Imagine someone taking an interest in an useless, rusty piece of machinery in your factory, something that you never managed to dispose of. You should be jumping with joy! If I remember correctly, after his hissy fits Uncle Dursley, in an attempt to avoid the sleets of letters, is to go inn-hopping with his family, totting the Potter boy along with them! Gotta love managers like this; he is the kind who stands by a sinking venture through full fathom five.

As to why Rowling would want to vilify her characters, I think it is an important question. Someone should have asked Rowling long ago why she piles abuses, insults and grotesque caricatures on her characters with apparently sadistic glee, given that, during that stage of its conception, Harry Potter was supposed to be a bedtime story for her child. Unless a more convincing answer is available, I stick to my conjecture that such characters are Rowling's voodoo dolls of some real-life muggles.

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Again, if you've actually read the books, the insistence on blood purity and class distinction is prevalent, but not in the way you describe it. The pure-blood wizards are quite haughty and, well, evil. The Malfoys, a pure-blood noble family of wizards, are clearly villianous and depicted as such. The Half-bloods are only looked down upon by the uppity types, and Hermione, a strong protagonist, is one. Rowling surely includes such matters, but she shows how ridiculous and wrong they are, she doesn't glorify them to ensnare an audience.
Rowling does not have to "glorify" blood purity to ensnare an audience; all she needs is to provide an outlet for the sentiment -- after all, an audience, if it pleases him, can choose to identify with the villain. And I hasten to add I do not condemn Rowling on this ground -- Rowling, like any author, is fundamentally influenced by the time and space she finds herself in, and it is only natural that her books reflect the culture she has been living with. I was only speculating why the Potter books strike a chord with the Brits.

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Rowling's sob-story doesn't sell books to anyone, excepting perhaps a handful of single mothers. A literal handful.
Unless we have data to see, your guess is as good as anybody's. What I understand is that it is human nature to champion the downtrodden. Given Rowling's background (or, rather, the version that her publisher wants people to believe), critics are more likely to spare their vitriol and speak well for the books. Readers are more apt to overlook obvious flaws and come to the books' defense -- if only with (sym)pathetic apologetics like "the Potter books work kids' imagination", "the book pull kids away from TV and game consoles".

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Really, you can't argue the validity of a fantasy story based on realism--that's, well, invalid. It's not great literature, but it's good, clean fun and rather well done. Why is it so big? Right thing, right time. Just because something is popular, it doesn't (always ) make you cool to bash it.

Really, given a chance, you might actually enjoy them.
Writers of fantastic literature have no special license to do away with realistic characterisation. Indeed an author who fails to create humanly, identifiable characters will (normally) die a career death. As the reader is unable to relate to the protagonists, or the situation that the protagonists find themselves in, the book will not be fun, never mind "good" or "clean". And it is wrong to assume that someone who speaks ill of something popular is necessarily trying to be "cool"; chances are that person is genuinely offended by the said thing.
post #52 of 76
Apperently, one of my friends sister, is already done with it.
post #53 of 76
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An author worth her salt will not paint big glowing labels "FAT!!", "DUMB!!", "EVIL!!" over the foreheads of her characters; she will leave it to the readers to figure out, and that is what I call literary technique.
Ahhhh...., ok, that is what you call literary technique.
post #54 of 76
I finished a little while ago. I thought it was a satisfying ending, and I can't think of any previous questions that were floating around that haven't been answered. However, until other people have finished, I will say no more.
post #55 of 76
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I finished a little while ago. I thought it was a satisfying ending, and I can't think of any previous questions that were floating around that haven't been answered. However, until other people have finished, I will say no more.
i want to know who dies and how it ends. please tell. just preface your post with a "spoiler alert for Potter 7" in HUGE letters so people know.
post #56 of 76
FalconP: I don't think J. K. Rowling had to have based her characters off real people, although she very well may have, just because she embellished a tad in depicting a few of her book's characters. And some of the best writing is often thought to be at least based off real life scenarios/people. Many asked J. D. Salinger if Holden was based off himself because the character's emotional depth was so utterly realistic and pinpoint. I'm in no way saying J. K. Rowling can ever dream of writing anything as poetic and meaningful as Catcher in the Rye, or ever write something remotely close to that same echelon of sheer writing capability, but I find the Harry Potter books to portray its characters just fine.

And, okay, you don't like the magical hierarchy set in the Harry Potter series, evidently because you're not British. As inane as that idea is to me, would you rather see them leave all their female infants in fields to die of starvation and neglect because they were thought to be inferior to wizards? I'm not saying Brits are overly-discriminatory, but don't come in here spewing your ethnocentric viewpoint, completely cropping another society simply because it's different to yours.
post #57 of 76
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i want to know who dies and how it ends. please tell. just preface your post with a "spoiler alert for Potter 7" in HUGE letters so people know.
Please don't. Read the title instead.
post #58 of 76
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post #59 of 76
Everybody dies, except for me, you know why?

Cuase I had my tray table up! and my seat back in the full up right position!

Take it fellow head-fi members!
post #60 of 76
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i want to know who dies and how it ends. please tell. just preface your post with a "spoiler alert for Potter 7" in HUGE letters so people know.
Harry potter 7 spoilers in link

http://rolloffle.blogspot.com/
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