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post #76 of 391
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Originally Posted by lac29 View Post
Has anyone ever tried to recable their E500's?
There was a thread about a recable wayyy back in the winter. Ill have to dig it up. Not an easy re-cable though.
post #77 of 391
Thread found here
post #78 of 391
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Originally Posted by perfectfifth View Post
man, this too sketch for me. maybe they fix em no question asked, but i dont wanna send em in over and over. i guess i pass on e500. is there a better option at this price you guys recomend? maybe um2?
It really depends on what you like. I personally bought the UM2 and wanted so badly to love them and gave them so many chances but just let me down every single time, so I sent them back for the E500 which I absolutely love. If you like really forward, in-your-face mids/vocals, don't mind a little heavy bass, and some questionable highs (this is how they sounded to me), then they may be your best bet. Fit/comfort is on the same level as the E500, but as far as durability, Westone's cables have been and continue to be the best (obvious, considering the thread we're in).

If you still want to stay with Shure but want less of a chance of cable problems (a.k.a. not any of the SE series earphones or the E500), the E4 is the way to go. If you don't want to stay with Shure, I've heard good things about Ultimate Ears' triple.fi 10 pro, but the fit is questionable.

As always, if you can try them out before you buy, obviously do it. Otherwise, just look for more reviews and go with what you think you would like the most.
post #79 of 391
perfect, you could also wait for the Westone 3 to come out. Heck, I'm hoping maybe by then shure will have corrected this cable problem.
post #80 of 391
Or Ety 4, new isn't always better than old.
And from the money you save from purchasing ER4 compared to one of the new triple driver IEMs you could even (partly) pay for an amp.
post #81 of 391
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Originally Posted by lostbobby View Post
I read this, i just did this, damp towel, my cable housing split. No kidding.
It's likely your cable already had become stiff and would have broken anyway. The hardening takes place over a period of time (usually months), not from one time of wiping it down.
post #82 of 391
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Originally Posted by Dexter Morgan
Thanks for your post, Matt. It's a priveledge having direct communication with Shure in this way. I have a couple of thoughts. First, let me say I was surprised at the 68% number also. I suspected the failure rate would be perhaps 10%. I have also thought a lot about our sample of respondents. As you said, the world is a large place and this is just a survey of head-fi people. So I was trying to figure out if there would be differences between the population on Head-Fi and the greater population, and if so, what would they be?
Believe me, the privilege is mine.

I can't/won't get into exact percentages (Shure is, after all, privately held), but it is far less than 10% (and actually declining).

I can't tell you what the physical differences between head-fi'ers and non-head-fi'ers are, but as far as behaviors there are vast differences. Sorry I can't be more specific than that.


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Originally Posted by Dexter Morgan
Well, on the one hand, I think Head-Fi users are probably take better care of their products, so damage should be less with us. On the other hand, we might use our equipment more than other people because we're absolutely crazy. Lastly, maybe people are more likely to click on the link to vote if their cable has broken, whereas happy owners with unbroken cords have little interest on the topic. Still, I would think happy owners would be just as vehement about defending their favorite product, and be concerned about the issue. In any case, it's hard for me to imagine that these numbers are that far off...
You touch on some relevant points here, but I disagree about happy owners being vehement about defending their favorite product. That might be one of the biggest differences between head-fi and non head-fi people.

And I can't say it enough: the numbers are that far off.


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Originally Posted by Dexter Morgan
I guess my main question is why doesn't Shure just redesign the wire or change the type of rubber? Is Shure worried that everybody and their grandmother will send their E500s in to get them recabled? I realize this is a business, so I'm assuming the reason has to do with money.
A cable re-design took place many months ago to address plastisizer migrating out of the cable due to oil from hair or skin in some people. When the platisizer migrates out of the cable the result is stiffening/hardening, and ultimately cracking. The compound of the cable has been updated and has been tested on select people that have called with this problem (some possibly even from head-fi) and has been proven effective. So to answer your question: We have redesigned the cable.
post #83 of 391
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Originally Posted by moseboy View Post
...For two years. Understand that while the warranty is great and I'm glad Shure is honoring it, after two years, E500/SE530 owners are out of luck if something happens after that. Keep in mind, I didn't buy these earphones to last me 2.5, 3, or even 4 years: For as much as I invested in them, I want these to last for a long time. You can say that after a year, you should be able to tell whether or not they're going to die on you. Well what if you can't? What if it just so happens that you wear them little enough that after 3 years they finally start to get hard and eventually break? Again, that would be a case in which, according to what I'm understanding, you're out of luck.

Don't get me wrong, I'm full aware that other companies in this business have cable durability issues as well. With a product like earphones, it's hard to eliminate these problems. However, when it comes down to it, Shure just seems to have more problems than other companies. Especially with a flagship product costing as much as the E500 did, it should not have had reoccurring issues with such a fundamental part of the product as the cable. And when this was found to be the case, when the E500 was re-released as the SE530, wouldn't it have been more wise to fix this issue instead of simply adding eartips to the package? That way, if customers would have issues with one of them, upon replacement, the other could be returned to them. Maybe not even this extensive of a solution, but something beyond just saying "We'll replace it for two years."

I understand that Shure is going to make decisions based on what will appeal to the majority of its customers, and at this point, I'm aware that E500/SE530 owners with cable issues aren't the majority. But I, along with many others, think something should have been, and can still be done about this. The people at Shure may still decide not to do anything about it because they really aren't obligated to. But I can tell you for certain that come Shure's next line of earphones, many previous customers will not be buying.
Being that this is head-fi I'm glad to have an opportunity to let you know that Shure has a very customer friendly service department. While our printed warranty policy states that we warrant the product for two years, if an E500/SE530 owner contacts Shure after the warranty period with a hardened/stiffened cable they will be taken care of in kind. We have openly acknowledged a poor mixture in a limited amount of earphones that were shipped out of our factory, so if a customer calls with that failure mode their product will be replaced, period.

Moseboy: Welcome to Head-fi. I see you've been a member for two months. Do a quick search for "Shure Service" if you haven't already. That should tell you what we're all about.

Lastly, I'm glad you like the sound of E500/SE530, I designed it.
post #84 of 391
Thanks for posting this info Sugarfried. Was wondering has the "redesigned cable" been implemented in the full Shure lineup or just for the 530s'???


Ply
post #85 of 391
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Originally Posted by Arjisme View Post
I apologize for spreading misinformation here. I did think they were the same cable.

However, can you please clarify a point on this: is the outer cable (the rubber protective part) different between the E2 and E500? Or are they made of the same material (albeit on different machines)?
They are different cables altogether. The diameter of the E2 cable is 0.075" while the E500 (and all other SE models) is 0.067"
post #86 of 391
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Originally Posted by Dexter Morgan
Not at all? Really? Don't you think Shure should be concerned that 1 in every 3 customers return their product for repair, and most within the first six months, regardless of the "mileage"? I mean, c'mon, people are going to use their gear how much they want to use it. It's Shure's job to make sure it holds up. I don't know of any other IEMs from competitors whose cables require daily cloth maintenance. Shure admits that the primary cause is body chemistry... mileage would merely accelerate the hardening and eventual snap.
Perhaps one of my previous posts adresses this, but our return rate is noqhere near 1 out of 3. It may appear so on that poll, but it is not.


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Originally Posted by Dexter Morgan
In my mind, this poll highly suggests that the cable cracking is not a rogue issue that affects a few people with some exotic body chemistry. This is a fundamental product defect that affects 1 in 3 owners. Until Shure corrects this, all potential new buyers on these forums should be informed. Granted there is the 2 year warranty, and thank God for that, but paying for shipping costs to Shure every 2 months is going to add up.
See above point.


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Originally Posted by Dexter Morgan
I absolutely love the sound of the 530s. I will not hesitate to recommend it to people whom I think might like it based on their tastes. But I will also need to include that little asterisk at the end....

*1 in 3 subject to breakdown
Glad you are pleased with the sound of E500/SE530. The entire design team is very proud of it.
post #87 of 391
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Originally Posted by spinali View Post
I've laid off Shures entirely for the main reason that I have no faith in their cables. I wonder why they can't spend just a little more to get braided cables.
Braided cables do not cost more than the cable we use. It is not a cost issue.

Our E1 had a braided cable, and it actually did not perform as well as our current cables. The braids first unwind and then you're left with three strands of cable that are significantly weaker than one strand surrounded by a single outer jacket.

YMMV, but we prefer single strands rather than braided.
post #88 of 391
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Originally Posted by tk3 View Post
Wow, that's a disturbingly high failure rate.
It's not a real rate. I wish I could share the real rate, but I can't. The real rate is nowhere near that high.
post #89 of 391
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Originally Posted by Dexter Morgan View Post
No kidding!


No kidding!


Your plan sounds like a good one to me. If you're not using them, you might as well sit on them long as possible on the chance that they redesign the cable. On the other hand, I've heard that they restart your 2-year warranty when they reissue them back to you (heads up perfectfifth). Thus, if the issue really is body chemistry, they'll probably break on you again and you could get the redesigned cables the second time around...

Sugarfried, is there any chance Shure will fix this problem in the near future?
I answered it before, but since it has been asked so many times I figure repetition is best:

The cable compound has already been changed. It takes time for the problems to occur, and if/when they do (which is not nearly as common as made out to be here) they are rectified in as soon a manner as possible.
post #90 of 391
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
I've had mine for 4 months and have gone running with them at least 15 times for over 30 mins. Cable still looks good, not a sign of a break. I do not use foams, only on the plane.
You may very well not have skin/hair oil that causes the cable plastisizer to migrate out of the jacket, and thus the issue may never be a problem for you.

If it does become a problem, (800) 516-2525 (if in the US) is the number to call.
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