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post #61 of 472
I haven't noticed them to sound muffled depending on the soundstage but I know they will change their character depending on how taxing the album is. All "difficult" 'stats to that so you are most likely just suffering from not enough power.
post #62 of 472
OK, this says more about me than them, but I hated, Hated, HATED the Sigma Pros, either on the BH or the KGSS. But, loved the Lambdas, of all flavors on both. Whatever it was, lack of power was not part of it.
post #63 of 472
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Originally Posted by pabbi1 View Post
OK, this says more about me than them, but I hated, Hated, HATED the Sigma Pros, either on the BH or the KGSS. But, loved the Lambdas, of all flavors on both. Whatever it was, lack of power was not part of it.
I guess you're just not Sigma compatible...

They are pretty system dependent and if it is at all a bit fat and woolly they will magnify that but they are also an acquired taste. This goes to show how big an effect the housing has on the drivers as the Sigma Pro uses the same drivers as the Lambda Signature.

The original SR-Sigma was Naotake Hayashi's (Stax founder) favorite headphone and I prefer it to the newer model. A very nice headphone for some recordings.
post #64 of 472
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Originally Posted by edstrelow View Post
Still, the attraction of the Sigma is its unique forward placement of the transducers so that the sound is fired back across the ears in an approximation of a normal listening experience. For me this sometimes makes them sound like I am actually listening to real sounds in space, at least more so than with any other kind of phone.
do they sound even more like the sound is outside of your head with crossfeed?
post #65 of 472
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Originally Posted by pabbi1 View Post
OK, this says more about me than them, but I hated, Hated, HATED the Sigma Pros, either on the BH or the KGSS. But, loved the Lambdas, of all flavors on both. Whatever it was, lack of power was not part of it.

Ver interesting. I note that you list a silver contact enhancer as well as the grungebuster. I use both and in spite of previously preferring the Sigma/404 or Sigma Pro over a 404 or Lambda Nova, I now somewhat prefer the Lambdas. For me it was the silver contact enhancer that caused me to shift my preference regarding phones. I use Silclear and it really tamed the nasties of the 404 and Lambda, making them shine. It didn't have as much effect on the Sigmas, other than some boost in signal levels.
post #66 of 472
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do they sound even more like the sound is outside of your head with crossfeed?
I had a crossfeed set-up years ago, before I owned Sigmas so I can't say I have tried it with them. Although I did have Jecklins at the time. I rarely used the crossfeed. There were a very small number of stereo recordings with bizarre stereo images because of too much seperation which one could use it on but mostly I prefered as much channel separation as I could get.

Blending channels by crossfeed will have reduce channel separation and thus bring the apparent positions of sounds sources, that are to the left and right, closer to the center. I see no reason why this should make sounds appear more externalized. Rather the effect would be more likely to change the perceived distance from the sources. I.e. the greater the perceived lateral distance between two or more sound sources in space, the closer you would be to those sources. So if you are sitting close between 2 performers, one would be in your left ear and one in your right.

I find there is a misconception in some of these forums that crossfeed in phones will produce a more "relatistic" stereo image because it mimics the crossfeed from speakers where the each channel's signal goes to both ears However, the left-speaker-to-right-ear and right-speaker-to- left-ear-signals are artifacts, having no correspondance to what is recorded in 2 channel stereo, or presented to your two ears if you were actually listening to performers in real space.

Eg. The left microphone or your left ear will already get some signal from all directions and that will be all in the left channel signal. When played through loudspeakers you are creating a double dose of blend because the recorded signal is now going to the right ear, after a small time delay. That delayed signal is the artifact sometimes referred to as a "phantom channel." Speakers that try to suppress these phantoms, such as Polk's old SDA system have much more precise localization and better imaging as you can tell with these speakers simply by switching off the suppression set-up.

Because there is little leakage between left and right headphone transducers even with the Sigmas, headphones don't have a phantom image problem, and give a far more accurate stereo image than speakers can ever hope to.
post #67 of 472
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Originally Posted by edstrelow View Post
Because there is little leakage between left and right headphone transducers even with the Sigmas, headphones don't have a phantom image problem, and give a far more accurate stereo image than speakers can ever hope to.
thanks for the interesting post, Ed. in my experience spkrs at times can set up an uncanny 2-3d perspective while headphones rarely do better than 1-2d (leaving binaural recordings out of this discussion). i've not heard sigmas but it's claimed here that they more closely simulate a speaker like presentation. even lambdas, with their canted drivers seem to do some of that. i recall finding them rather striking in that regard when i first bought a set 15 or so yrs ago.
post #68 of 472
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Hey sorry I have out of contact for a while, I was in California for an extended weekend.
Anyway, before I left, I used my Stax Sigma Pros with home theatre 5.1 surround sound system. Sonically, they presented a very wide sound stage. However, the bass response was a little lac king.
Is there anyone out there who has information about the use of Stax Sigmas- pro or non pro with surround sound systems of different types? What works best?
Thanks- Scottsmrnyc
post #69 of 472
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Originally Posted by Scottsmrnyc View Post
Hey sorry I have out of contact for a while, I was in California for an extended weekend.
Anyway, before I left, I used my Stax Sigma Pros with home theatre 5.1 surround sound system. Sonically, they presented a very wide sound stage. However, the bass response was a little lac king.
Is there anyone out there who has information about the use of Stax Sigmas- pro or non pro with surround sound systems of different types? What works best?
Thanks- Scottsmrnyc
Are you using some sort of Dolby Headphone? I use the JVC Dolby Headphone system and find it is fantastic with Stax 404's but not good at all with the Sigmas. I suspect the DH system is optimized for transducers close to the ears, not like the Sigmas.

However a non-DH set-up could be different with the Sigma.
post #70 of 472
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
I guess you're just not Sigma compatible...

They are pretty system dependent and if it is at all a bit fat and woolly they will magnify that but they are also an acquired taste. This goes to show how big an effect the housing has on the drivers as the Sigma Pro uses the same drivers as the Lambda Signature.

The original SR-Sigma was Naotake Hayashi's (Stax founder) favorite headphone and I prefer it to the newer model. A very nice headphone for some recordings.
Well if it's an aquired taste, I guess I must've been predisposed to liking it since I had no trouble getting into the Sigmas.
post #71 of 472
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Originally Posted by pabbi1 View Post
OK, this says more about me than them, but I hated, Hated, HATED the Sigma Pros, either on the BH or the KGSS. But, loved the Lambdas, of all flavors on both. Whatever it was, lack of power was not part of it.
I perfer Sigmas to Lambdas, so that's certainly not a universal opinion.


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Originally Posted by edstrelow View Post
Are you using some sort of Dolby Headphone? I use the JVC Dolby Headphone system and find it is fantastic with Stax 404's but not good at all with the Sigmas. I suspect the DH system is optimized for transducers close to the ears, not like the Sigmas.

However a non-DH set-up could be different with the Sigma.
I use my Sigmas with DH without issue.
post #72 of 472
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Well if it's an aquired taste, I guess I must've been predisposed to liking it since I had no trouble getting into the Sigmas.
It is a bit of an acquired taste but so is listening to the Sennheiser HE's...
post #73 of 472
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I perfer Sigmas to Lambdas, so that's certainly not a universal opinion.
I quite agree - and, to be fair, I have owned Lambda non-pro / SRM-1 before, so they already had a leg up. Again, more about me than them - but, Sigma over Lamba is not universal either, and just baffling to me. It wasn't even in the same ballpark, region or universe.

Perhaps these (the one pair I heard) were somehow not up to par? That is the only possible thing I can think of, because I can usually see what the appeal is, but this one just escapes me.
post #74 of 472
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Originally Posted by pabbi1 View Post
but, Sigma over Lamba is not universal either
Definately.

Heck, Birgir doesn't even like the HE90s. There's no accounting for the tastes of some people...

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Perhaps these (the one pair I heard) were somehow not up to par?
It's certainly possible. Electrostats are fragile beasts. Generally you'd notice some kind of channel imbalance if it was bleeding bias or something, though.
post #75 of 472
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Originally Posted by Carl View Post
I perfer Sigmas to Lambdas, so that's certainly not a universal opinion.
I use my Sigmas with DH without issue.
For me, no matter how much I basically like the Sigmas they just don't do Dolby Headphone worth a damn. Te difference between the lambda 404 and Sigma 404 is just night and day. The 404 works well, the Sigma while, listenable on DH doesn't have the localization or clarity of the 404.

Have you tried your set-up with some lambdas or even an SRX3?
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