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post #31 of 276
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It's only the 2nd day, and I realize there are factors such as new toy syndrome, self-justification of a new purchase, being easily impressed by a new, hitherto unheard sound, etc.

But this O2+KGSS is basically the highest sound quality I've ever heard from a headphone. The only one that I think might equal it is the Sony R10.

Sure, there are areas where other headphones beat the O2+KGSS. The L3000 at least matches its bass quality, and comes close in terms of refinement. It has better PRaT and sounds extremely vivid, energetic and full-bodied. But it can't match the O2's effortless refinement, soundstage and details.

The W5000+HA5000's soundstage, imaging and details are very good. These are its greatest strengths, IMO. But the O2 basically matches it and adds a warmer, more pleasant-sounding and more neutral tonality. And it has the combination of smooth, liquid effortlessness plus details and resolution, which maybe only the R10 can match.

The RS-1 has energy and jump-up-and-down-on-your-chair fun factor. The O2 is almost the complete opposite. It exudes sophistication, quality, refinement, elegance, intelligence... good breeding(?!). It is well-deserved, though, making the RS-1 seem rough and uncouth in comparison. And I already consider the RS-1 a refined-sounding Grado.

The K701 has a more expansive soundstage than the O2. It also has good details and notes separation. The O2 matches its strengths and adds warmth, body, bass impact, bass details, smoothness (did I mention that the O2 is smooth ), and refinement. Comparatively, the K701 is somewhat bland, tasteless, and cold, without much expression of pleasure.

I also think the others, such as the AD2000 and HD650 are over-matched by the O2. The only one that might be able to put up an effective fight, or maybe even win, is the R10. But I suspect the R10 might need beefier and better-matched amplification to do so.

Also, I don't comment much on the K1000 because I don't have a suitable amp for it. The K1000+good amp might also be able to fight the O2.

So where does this leave AT? The W5000+HA5000 combo is good, and the L3000 also sounds great with either the HA5000 or Raptor. But I don't think they're quite at the level of overall sound quality as the O2+KGSS.

However, there's a ray of hope for the dynamics, in the form of balanced recabling and a balanced amp.

I think everyone except maybe R10 owners (ah, heck, including R10 owners) should get an O2!!!
post #32 of 276
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Originally Posted by Elephas View Post
I think everyone except maybe R10 owners (ah, heck, including R10 owners) should get an O2!!!
Well, that pretty much sums it up!
Nice to hear that you really enjoy your newly acquired O2, and that it knock out most of your dynamic headphones.
post #33 of 276
Might suggest you leave the KGSS powered ON ALL the time. A quality PC is worth the effort. That combo of phone and amp is a perfect match. The KGSS can swing big voltage which allows the Omegas to fully energize.

I would also leave the phones plugged into the KGSS all the time. The KGSS sounds it's best when input with a balanced source. I can also suggest an upgrade to the big blackgatted caps as another worthwhile upgrade.

Enjoy your new setup.
post #34 of 276
Another soul taken by STAX

Very interesting 2nd summary, to a degree, I can familiarize on most counts. The KGSS combo is great, but I'm so tempted to find out what the OII sounds like on tubes...

Also, not to inflict any more undue damage to you wallet, but when you get a chance, you must listen to the KGSS + 4070 combo, it has a bit more forwardness than the OII...if you get the opportunity give them a try.
post #35 of 276
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Might suggest...
Will do, thanks.

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Snacks, Snacks, why oh why didn't you tell me? Why didn't you send me a PM, slap me upside the head, order me to dump those dynamics and make me buy the O2+KGSS a long time ago?!?

(We don't really know each other, I'm just ranting ).

After listening through the day, I think I've become more accustomed to its sound. I've tried chill out electronica, pop, R&B, dance music, female vocals, even some metal. Everything sounds very good. This doesn't happen with the W5000, L3000...even the R10?

There's nothing I can think of to criticize. The perfect headphones for lil ol' me?

I'm so happy, tears are rolling down my cheeks. Actually, I have a cold and the tears are from a stuffed up nose, but you get the point.

I also feel in love, but not with Stax, a big impersonal corporation. I'm in love with Kevin Gilmore and Justin (not that kind of love, sheesh, you guys). I feel like buying presents for them, giving them a lot of money, taking them on vacation, making sure they're eating right and happy...
post #36 of 276
FS: apache balanced headphone amp. zero hours of use. and various balanced headphones.

reason for sell: SE Blue Hawaii
post #37 of 276
One of the things that attracts me to a headphone is, for lack of a better term, a certain energy in the mid to high frequencies that manifests itself without any brightness. It's hard to explain, but you can call it a combination of speed, impact, and instrument separation in the mid to high regions that makes things sound much more vivid. The HD650, for instance, doesn't have it. It sounds polite but far too sluggish to provoke any kind of emotional response. The ES2, on the other hand, has it in spades, and so does the K340. The SR-404 doesn't really have enough of it, while the SR-003 has a lot, despite being rather dark overall.

I know I'm being vague, but... how does the SR-007 do it? Is it fast and vivid in the mids/highs or does it sound polite and laid-back like the HD650?
post #38 of 276
Congrats on the O2s! It took me two weeks to understand and appreciate what I was hearing (with the 7tII), and still can't wait to try the KGSS (which, hopefully, will be here this week)
post #39 of 276
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I think everyone except maybe R10 owners (ah, heck, including R10 owners) should get an O2!!!

You are COMPLETELY evil! I have been trying to hold off falling overboard into the electostatic sea: grabbing the railing (the B-52) and reaching for the life preservers (balanced HD650's and Edition 9's); but comments like that are definitely going to throw me an anvil and say "see you at the bottom!!!"

Glad you like the O2's!!!
post #40 of 276
Hi Elaphas,

so glad you are taking on Electrostats! I asked your opinion on electrostats sometime back when you didn't have one yet. I, too, jumped on the same wagon, but still waiting for my KGSS DX from Justin. Very appreciate your initial impression on OII+KGSS combo. Make me feel better, you know, since I ordered them without listening.


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post #41 of 276
KGSS DX That's the one with a few hundred bucks worth of BG PS caps right? :drool:
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KGSS DX That's the one with a few hundred bucks worth of BG PS caps right? :drool:
not sure exactly what's the difference in terms of parts, but I like the fact that DX has built in output of both STAX and HE90.

photo of my Black OII, brand new is the box, never got chance to listen to it yet:



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photo of my Black OII, brand new is the box, never got chance to listen to it yet:



Welcome to Team Black Omega II!
They will give you lots of great listening session...
post #44 of 276
Ast - Did you know that the black OIIs have more than the brown?!? Wanna trade? j/k (unless you want to trade for brown, lol.) Besides, you can't see them when you're wearing them.

Where were you able to buy them new from? I heard that only Germany got that color

Back on topic - well sort of...

I heard/read that, to Justin, the BGs didn't make all that much a difference What's also nice about the DX is the HeX0 plug, that would be a welcome addition for those that fall of the deep-end and decide to buy He60/90s at a later date.

Elephas - As much as I love the STAX sound, I'd be doing you a major disservice, "trying" to convince you of the benefits of electrostats over dynamics. Also, I highly recommend that you keep hold of your good dynamic headphones, that is, if you have intentions on selling, because they do come in handy every now and again. Not in a Nikongod sort of way either. ...sorry had to vividly refresh everyones minds.

-Cliff
post #45 of 276
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I heard/read that, to Justin, the BGs didn't make all that much a difference What's also nice about the DX is the HeX0 plug, that would be a welcome addition for those that fall of the deep-end and decide to buy He60/90s at a later date.
I'm sure the HE60/HE90 plugs can be added to the "normal" KGSS too. I sent an email to Justin a while ago 'bout the KGSS and haven't heard back yet. What a busy man he must be

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Also, I highly recommend that you keep hold of your good dynamic headphones, that is, if you have intentions on selling, because they do come in handy every now and again. Not in a Nikongod sort of way either. ...sorry had to vividly refresh everyones minds.

-Cliff
Stax uses softer, infinitely more supple pads than the sandpaper on them Grados sooo... anyway...
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