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Are Pre-Amps Useful for Digital-Based Systems, or Are They Just For Vinyl?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Hi! I've tried to find information on this and, despite reading definitions and product info pages/threads, I still just don't understand really what a pre-amp is supposed to contribute to an audio setup. One thread said that they're really just "elaborate volume controls," but if that's true then...what do they add to the experience of listening to music? I just don't get it, sorry! Wouldn't you want to lessen the "distance" between the source and output by as many components as possible? Why add just another volume control?....that can cost hundreds of dollars?
So I thought, well, maybe it just has to do with vinyl, since vinyl output requires a big boost in volume, yes? So - is that it? You only need preamps for vinyl?

Thanks!
post #2 of 10
Don't take my word as gospel; I'm certainly no electronics expert.

That being said, my understanding of the issue is that breaking each stage in the chain (from source to speaker/headphones) into its own separate part allows that component to be dedicated to "doing just one thing". It's basically isolation of circuits, avoiding interference, etc. As with all things audiophile, it may be hard to "prove" that this makes a difference, but the reasoning behind it seems somewhat sound, and when possible it's fun to do this if for no other reason that there will be more gadgets lying around
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
So there's a pre-amplifier component in EVERY setup, and the only difference is seperating it out? So like - my headphone amp has an integrated pre-amp, and my stereo receiver has an integrated pre-amp?
post #4 of 10
More or less... an integrated amp is basically a pre-amp and an amp put together. Let me put it this way... if you're already getting sound out of your amp, you won't need a pre-amp with the exception of when you're using a turntable, in which case you will need one unless there is one (EDIT--a phono stage) built in. Not very many headphone amps, including high end ones, use separate pre-amps, although you do find some of the tweakers (not an insult but a term of endearment) who use them. I've got two amps (well, one is being built and should be here soon) that are considered both good quality (HeadRoom Desktop with all of the bonus options) and damned-near-as-good-as-you-can-get-without-spending-your-life-savings quality (Ray Samuels B-52) and neither has a dedicated pre-amp.
post #5 of 10
a pre amp can be as simple as just a volume pot and selector switch. active pre amps raise gain for devices that don't have enough volume by themselves so that you can get decent listening levels from the power amp. very simple.
post #6 of 10
Preamps can be useful as switchers if you need a lot of inputs.

See ya
Steve
post #7 of 10
A related question

I use my computer as source and want to send it to 3 different possible outputs. Is there some type of switch that will allow me to select the output? Currently I'm using Y connectors and just powering on the device I want.
post #8 of 10
It's useful to differentiate between an active preamp and a passive preamp.

The term "preamp" traditionally refers to an active preamp. This is a device which does the following functions:
- it raises the gain of the source by a certain factor
- it then lowers the gain (or output) by use of a volume knob
- it has a number of inputs which can be switched between (traditionally)

a passive preamp is simply a volume knob, and it often also has a number of inputs that can be switched between.

Many people are of the opinion that the less "stuff" in the signal chain, the better. for these people a passive preamp is best, assuming that their source can provide a big enough signal to the amplifier.

I used to use a passive preamp because I figured that my power amplifier and my source together were sufficiently loud, so all i needed to be able to do is lower the volume. This was GENERALLY correct, but some tracks are recorded at very low volume, so the signal going into my amplifier was very low even with my volume knob all the way up.

By adding an active preamp, I no longer have this problem. The preamp first makes the signal bigger (so that even the quiest songs are more than sufficiently loud if needed), and then the volume knob on the preamp is used to lower the volume to enjoyable levels

Most amps have preamps built in. Those which do not have preamps built in are usually called "power amps". power amps have no ability to control volume (ie they just pump out full volume all the time), so a preamp is required to control the volume, and in some cases increase the input signaal where the source provides too small of a signal

edit: for a dodgy illustration (and take into account that i'm not at all technically skilled), imagine that a power amp needs 1v input to sound loud. A cd player may output 2v at peak, so for an average song the amplifier has more than enough incoming signal, and all it needs is a passive preamp (volume knob) to lower the 2v signal to become 1v

now imagine that there;s either a low powered source or a quietly recorded song. now all of a sudden the source is only outputting 0.7v. even at full volume on the passive preamp, the amp will not be loud enough (it wont clip even at full volume because the input signal is so small).

Now imagine you add an active preamp which multiples the incoming signal by 2. With the original loud song it becomes 4v (2v x 2), so it has plenty of volume and the volume knob on the preamp is used to lower this 6v to 1v.

For the 0.7v song, we now have 1.4v (0.7v x 2), which is also now has plenty of power, and the volume knob must be used to lower the 1.4v to 1v

preamps can also add flavour to a sound (eg using a tube preamp on a solid state amp)
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by scompton View Post
A related question

I use my computer as source and want to send it to 3 different possible outputs. Is there some type of switch that will allow me to select the output? Currently I'm using Y connectors and just powering on the device I want.
switch boxes exist.

most preamps take many inputs and only give one output (or maybe two).. not many preamps would take one input and give many outputs, but i'm sure a switchbox would exist for that purpose
post #10 of 10
Isn't there some kind of impedance matching issue involved as well? At least that's how the manufacturers justify the big bucks for passive pre amps.
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