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JVC DX1000 - Trying to ascertain if I would enjoy them

post #1 of 83
Thread Starter 
Hi All. My quest for a partnering can for the HD650 continues. In this thread I want to ask specifically about the JVC DX1000, and I think the best way of asking of if it may be "the one" I am after, is to list the headphones which I tried and what I felt was not ideal about them (all IMO of course).

- AKG 701 = sterile, lacked punch, soundstage too big (i.e. could sound empty)
- Denon D5000 = loads of fun but lacked the detail I love so much. I felt the details were recessed, and there was too much (or not taut enough) bass which further covered up the details
- Grado RS1 = loved the sound....punchy, dynamic, crisp. Perhaps not as much air as I could want but that wasn't the issue; comfort was. Fifteen minutes and my ears would be red and in pain!
- Audio Technica ATH-W5000 = fantastic detail, air, separation, clarity, and soundstage. My narrow dome and the W5K's fitment issues, together with a far-from-ideal seal, led to them often sounding thin and lacking bass (had to EQ them to get anywhere near sufficient bass)
- Audio Technica ATH-W11JPN = improved the above shortfalls of the W5000, but at the expense of soundstage, separation, and air. The soundstage was certainly smaller, and there was not as much detail. They were also quite warm/euphonic.
- Beyer DT880 600 ohm = he who says these are detailed have obviously never heard an Audio Technica woody . To avoid waxing lyrical (in the negative sense seeing as how popular these are) I will leave at...I hated them.

Phew...I am not sure if the above descriptions help or hurt my cause . In essence, I am looking for something with air, extension, and lots of detail. It must have enough bass to have body (not sound thin or empty) but must be controlled, and not overpowering (like the D5000 IMO). Details, in particular the midrange and HF, should be very present without being etched/sibilant/bright; but not recessed either (once again, like the D5000 IMO).

So.....the big question....might the DX1000 fit the bill?

Cheers,
X

PS. will be amped by the ASL MG Head OTL Mk III and the Gilmore Lite w/DPS.
post #2 of 83
Try fully modded AKG K340, goes very well with tubes and have everything you describe. JVC do not like tubes, they need SS amp. Other than that, very good phones.
I would say Grado GS1000, but not sure about your amp, don't have any experience with, and you need control the bass and highs of them.

This is my follow list:

1. K340
2. GS1000
3. JVC
post #3 of 83
Thread Starter 
Hi there. Thanks for the reply. This might be a good point in time to add something which I missed:

Grado GS-1000 = boring. I felt it was quite detailed, but had no dynamics. Essentially, I think it had enough sonic information to fill its soundstage (so wasn't empty like the AKG 701), but was similarly lifeless (once again, IMO).

I am surprised about the JVC and tubes comment . I thought they enjoyed tube amps as long as they were not too euphonic (as the JVC already has enough midrange coloration)
post #4 of 83
I went thru this recently - have been a HD580-600-650 fan for years (currently have HD650 w/Equinox) and wondered about the closed can experience). Ordered the DX1000's from PriceJapan and paired with tubes
(Cary 300SEI & ASL OTL32 - expensive NOS tubes all around). To make a long stort short - I liked the JVC-Victors but would always return to the HD650's (because they are just the most natural sounding-across the spectrum-no veil to these old ears). So, I sold the DX1000's and gave up the pursuit of finding a closed partner for the HD650's). Many here seem to like them - depends on the source and amp synergy as always. YMMV!
post #5 of 83
Oh - BTW - I ordered - tried - and sold the Grado GS1000's also - absolutely hated them - I just don't get the Grado thing!
post #6 of 83
Well, GS1k aren't boring. Some call them laid back, but what ever.

I can not say that tubes are not good with JVC, but I have compare them with tubes and SS and found SS had clear and better controlled bass. Other than that, they were pretty nice with tubes as well. I am talking of better/best solution up here and nothing else.



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Originally Posted by xenithon View Post
Hi there. Thanks for the reply. This might be a good point in time to add something which I missed:

Grado GS-1000 = boring. I felt it was quite detailed, but had no dynamics. Essentially, I think it had enough sonic information to fill its soundstage (so wasn't empty like the AKG 701), but was similarly lifeless (once again, IMO).

I am surprised about the JVC and tubes comment . I thought they enjoyed tube amps as long as they were not too euphonic (as the JVC already has enough midrange coloration)
post #7 of 83
Thread Starter 
Thanks again for the input. Daleda - interesting experience you seem to have had, but were you looking for a partner or a replacement for the DX1000? What I would really want is for the cans to have a far more opened up, airy and detailed mid and upper range to the HD650 - did the DX1000 provide this in your opinion when you compared the two?
post #8 of 83
Have you thought about the Omega 2s? IMO they fit pretty much all of your criteria.

Air: check
Extension: check
Detail: check
Bass: It's not as slamming as the top dynamics, but still very good.
Not sibilant: check
post #9 of 83
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Originally Posted by xenithon View Post
In essence, I am looking for something with air, extension, and lots of detail. It must have enough bass to have body (not sound thin or empty) but must be controlled, and not overpowering (like the D5000 IMO). Details, in particular the midrange and HF, should be very present without being etched/sibilant/bright; but not recessed either (once again, like the D5000 IMO).
sounds like u're searching for the ultimate holy grail cans. which might still be a myth among current production.
post #10 of 83
Thread Starter 
Humanflyz - I'd just rather try tackle that headphone in specific . I am also sticking to dynamic cans for the moment for a number of reasons, one of which is price. The JVC would already be pushing the limit - so $1800 new for an O2 plus another few hundred plus for a decent amp puts it out of contention.
post #11 of 83
Thread Starter 
Quote:
sounds like u're searching for the ultimate holy grail cans. which might still be a myth among current production.
Point taken

I guess what I can say is this: I am looking for either
- a W5000 with more bass, slightly less bright highs, and a better fit
- a Denon D5000 with better controlled bass and more detail/air (mid and highs)

I reread Skylabs comparison and am starting to think the JVC may not be right. He said "the JVC lacks the last little bit of extension and air, but the Denon may have just a tiny bit of extra sparkle."

That said, I found the D5000 to have sparkle, but not the detail (mids sounded recessed and/or overpowered by the bass). If the JVC has even deeper bass I fear it may too cover up the mids and highs.
post #12 of 83
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Originally Posted by xenithon View Post
Point taken

I guess what I can say is this: I am looking for either
- a W5000 with more bass, slightly less bright highs, and a better fit
- a Denon D5000 with better controlled bass and more detail/air (mid and highs)
i think u've just described your HD650s.
post #13 of 83
Thread Starter 
Nope....HD650 is definitely a darker can. What I would like is something much more open and nimble and brighter (not excessively so).
post #14 of 83
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Originally Posted by xenithon View Post
Nope....HD650 is definitely a darker can. What I would like is something much more open and nimble and brighter (not excessively so).
ok then i'm putting a vote in for the Sony SA5000. i'm not sure if it'll satisfy every single need but hopefully at least most of them.



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post #15 of 83
Then my other suggestion is the Qualia.
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