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Got some news about Corda Cantate

post #1 of 121
6/28/07 at 9:55am
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I was asking to Jan Meier by e-mail about Aria and eventually Cantate and he give me some news, Cantate gonna have USB, DAC and ... balanced ground!!!

Delay, 1 or 2 months

I changed my mind, i won't buy a Aria but a Cantate, i'am on the list
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post #2 of 121
6/28/07 at 9:56am
Any pricing revealed?
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post #3 of 121
6/28/07 at 10:00am
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No

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Any pricing revealed?
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post #4 of 121
6/28/07 at 10:18am
So what's the major difference between that and the Opera? I thought the Cantante was going to be the analog only version of the Opera.
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post #5 of 121
6/28/07 at 10:35am
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From what we can see on the pics he'll have only 1 knob and 1 input for headphone while Opera have 2 of them

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So what's the major difference between that and the Opera? I thought the Cantante was going to be the analog only version of the Opera.
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post #6 of 121
6/28/07 at 10:46am
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From what we can see on the pics he'll have only 1 knob and 1 input for headphone while Opera have 2 of them
that's it?! Other than the volume knob the Opera has a selector knob to switch inputs... Soooooooooooooo, it's replacing the Aria??? I'm just a little confused as to where it fits in the pecking order...
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post #7 of 121
6/28/07 at 10:53am
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No the Aria will still exist, the Cantate will have better quality sound then Aria and balanced ground

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that's it?! Other than the volume knob the Opera has a selector knob to switch inputs... Soooooooooooooo, it's replacing the Aria??? I'm just a little confused as to where it fits in the pecking order...
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post #8 of 121
6/28/07 at 10:57am
Why would it replace the Aria? If it's supposed to do that, the Aria would have served no purpose what so ever other than acting as a fundraiser or a budget alternative to the Opera. No, my guess is that the Cantate will be somewhat like the Opera but with the whole digital circuit removed aswell as one of the headphone outputs and with the balanced ground there as lerio mentioned above. And obviously a removed Pre-out option.

I'd also expect it to have much better matched components than the 'lower' grade amplifiers.

As for price... well, one can assume that it will be something like €575 by looking at the prices of the current amplifiers and it's position in the product listing.
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post #9 of 121
6/28/07 at 11:05am
I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense to me. What your saying is speculation at best. Dr. Meier has yet to give a full blown description of price point as well as where it falls in the line. To me, it seems he would be undercutting the Opera if that were the case. A majority of people DON'T need the second headphone jack (as is) unless they ordered it with the correct ohm to drive current the current headphones that are out there.

When you say digital circuit removed are you referring to the DAC?
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post #10 of 121
6/28/07 at 11:18am
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No speculation on what i said, i take those informations from Jan Meier

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I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense to me. What your saying is speculation at best. Dr. Meier has yet to give a full blown description of price point as well as where it falls in the line.
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post #11 of 121
6/28/07 at 11:23am
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No speculation on what i said, i take those informations from Jan Meier
Right, I understand that.. (I was referring to Mindless)... I was saying if what Dr. Meier told you: USB\DAC; balanced ground (similiar SQ)...etc.. those are what the Opera already has.. so, where does it fit in the lineup? A majority of people don't need 2 headphone jacks (the stock one is not really needed as is), and the preout is also another option that can be nixed (I assume the coax in would be gone also, meaning ONLY USB???), so in a sense most of us paid (possibly 200-300) MORE for features we don't need, just for this version to come out 4 months later, which would have been a better option, and will be a better option, undercutting the Opera?? But, once again until everything is finalized....
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post #12 of 121
6/28/07 at 12:12pm
When I said digital circuit I meant the two digital outs and the DAC.

Why dosen't it make sense? Of course it's just speculation, but I think it would fit into his list of different amplifiers perfectly.

What do you consider unnecessary features in the Opera? I am very curious about this. How can you pay too much for something that is great?

The Opera is one of the most versatile headphone amplifiers I've seen in this pricerange. You can use it for your stereo as a preamp, and as a DAC for a CD you're just using as a transport. Add to that the fact that you can plug it into your USB port in your computer and skip all the unnecessary circuitry there and just have pure music (technically). The two headphone outputs offer great versatility too. One headphone might be more suited for use with the 120ohm output, whilst another may be better with the 0ohm output.

Tell me how that is "paying $2-300 more than needed". If you feel like that, why did you buy it in the first place?
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post #13 of 121
6/28/07 at 2:20pm
fingers crossed for a cantante analogue =)

if it has balanced ground the cantante still may not be up to the SQ of the opera though, more things affect the sound than just balanced ground

it could also have a worse DAC than the opera, maybe share the aria's DAC and no coax in, that would pretty much squeeze it in between the aria and the opera performance-wise and price-wise
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post #14 of 121
6/28/07 at 2:38pm
Mindless,

I think what Morph201 is saying is that there are several features that the Opera has that may be unnecessary for some buyers. For example, the Opera has a DAC, but some of us have our own stand-alone DACs or have sources with good-quality DACs already included. Similarly, the pre-amp out would be unnecessary for someone who already has a high-quality pre-amp or integrated amp. Likewise, having two headphone jacks would be overkill for someone who only listens to one type of headphone; the other jack just wouldn't get used. However, the buyer is still charged for these things, even if he won't ever use them. It would be like living in Siberia, but buying a car that has air-conditioning as standard equipment.

That being said, you can still consider the Opera to be worth the money if the features that you do use are worth the cost. So even though the Opera has several features you might not use, the headphone amp section by itself can be good enough that it's worth the price. At the same time, though, if all you were looking for was a great headphone amp, without a pre-out or DAC or multiple inputs, you kind of wish a stripped-down version was available so you could get only the features that you want, without having to pay as much to do so.
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post #15 of 121
6/28/07 at 3:04pm
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Mindless,

I think what Morph201 is saying is that there are several features that the Opera has that may be unnecessary for some buyers. For example, the Opera has a DAC, but some of us have our own stand-alone DACs or have sources with good-quality DACs already included. Similarly, the pre-amp out would be unnecessary for someone who already has a high-quality pre-amp or integrated amp. Likewise, having two headphone jacks would be overkill for someone who only listens to one type of headphone; the other jack just wouldn't get used. However, the buyer is still charged for these things, even if he won't ever use them. It would be like living in Siberia, but buying a car that has air-conditioning as standard equipment.

That being said, you can still consider the Opera to be worth the money if the features that you do use are worth the cost. So even though the Opera has several features you might not use, the headphone amp section by itself can be good enough that it's worth the price. At the same time, though, if all you were looking for was a great headphone amp, without a pre-out or DAC or multiple inputs, you kind of wish a stripped-down version was available so you could get only the features that you want, without having to pay as much to do so.
Very well said, well in that case (and here's where I like Xin) having a wesbite where you can choose a la carte what features you want instead of bringing out a "FULL BLOWN" version only to tailor it down later (without warning) *sigh*... that's all. And with the inclusion of the Cantante (IF the SQ is eqivalent to the Opera) I am at a lost as to where it sits, being that it doesn't have a preout\(possible coax in) and extra headphone jack... pretty much the way I (and others) wish the Opera was originally released, that coulda bought me a nice amount of CDs with the left over cash. Once again, keep in mind, this is assuming the Cantante is equivalent to the Opera in SQ, otherwise, then it justifies me purchasing a higher model.
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