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Ever heard of Dual 1229q turntable? or Shure M3D cartridge?

post #1 of 12
6/20/07 at 5:23pm
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Found an old dusty turntable. Dual 1229q with a vintage Shure M3D cartridge . Doesn't seem to work when I plug it in. Is it worth getting fixed??


Edit: I found a M3D on ebay for $215 wow what a find.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/SHURE-STEREO-CART...QQcmdZViewItem
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post #2 of 12
6/20/07 at 8:04pm
I'm not 'shure' about the Dual but I do have a M3D which I bought new a while back Shortly after the V15 11 was available and the M3D has never been used, here's a photo.



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post #3 of 12
6/20/07 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by Gone4T View Post
I'm not 'shure' about the Dual but I do have a M3D which I bought new a while back Shortly after the V15 11 was available and the M3D has never been used, here's a photo.
Yes that's it exactly. How old is yours??
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post #4 of 12
6/20/07 at 11:56pm
The 1229q dates from 1973-1975.It sold for $250 new.Unfortunately it
has an idler tyre instead of a belt and the part is extinct.
The Shure M3D sold from 1958 to 1975 and beyond.It sold for $44 in 1960.
The M3D was a benchmark at the time,all hand made in Chicago and the
first true stereo cart.Shure's next step ,the V15 series.Since the M3D was
made for a long time and very popular replacement stylus are easy to find.
You have never heard the Beatles unless you listen thru a M3D cart.
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post #5 of 12
6/21/07 at 12:42am
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Originally Posted by cleophus View Post
The 1229q dates from 1973-1975.It sold for $250 new.Unfortunately it
has an idler tyre instead of a belt and the part is extinct.
The Shure M3D sold from 1958 to 1975 and beyond.It sold for $44 in 1960.
The M3D was a benchmark at the time,all hand made in Chicago and the
first true stereo cart.Shure's next step ,the V15 series.Since the M3D was
made for a long time and very popular replacement stylus are easy to find.
You have never heard the Beatles unless you listen thru a M3D cart.
Thanks,
Sounds like the turntable is so, so, but the cartridge is a keeper.
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post #6 of 12
6/21/07 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by adanac061 View Post
Found an old dusty turntable. Dual 1229q with a vintage Shure M3D cartridge . Doesn't seem to work when I plug it in. Is it worth getting fixed??
Those old Dual's can be pretty impressive and they are very well made. Much better than most modern tables under 1500USD.

Don't believe all that stuff about idler's being worse than belts or direct drives or whatever. There are some classic idlers like the Garrard 301/401, Thorens TD124 and the Lenco L75 which are regarded as some of the best turntables ever made. Check the prices those go for on ebay and you'll see what I mean.

New idlers can be bought from http://www.lpgear.com/ who don't seem to have one for th 1229 but do have others so perhaps one of these will fit? Also reconditioned Idler tyres for the Duals are still available from http://www.turntablebasics.com who can even rebuild the tyres.

The Shure cart is certainly a classic but collectors do tend to pay over the odds for old carts like this, when there are loads of really great new carts with stylus profiles not even invented when that Shure came out, available now.

By all means keep the old Shure, as it will only appreciate in value if it's in good contion. Take it out for an occasional spin to check out the Beatles or whatever, but also do yourself a favour and pick up a more modern cart like the Audio Technica 440MLA , and see what vinyl is capable of these days and why so many people are going back to it, or getting into it for the first time.
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post #7 of 12
6/22/07 at 9:29pm
i FOUND a shure M3D in an old marantz turntable sitting on the curb. it needs re tipping HARDCORE, AND the newer tips (a shure part, but not the original) are supposed to better the stock M3D needle in every way.

FWIW, this cart requires some retarded high vertical tracking force with the old needle, the new one works with much less. crazyness.
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post #8 of 12
6/22/07 at 9:46pm
The Dual 1229 is a great turntable. It has the ability to play just about any format of disk record ever made (with the exception of Pathe hill and dale disks). It plays 33, 45 and 78 with a pitch control to cover most 78rpm variations in speed, and it has interchangable head shells that make it easy to snap different format stylii in and out.

See ya
Steve
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post #9 of 12
6/22/07 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
The Dual 1229 is a great turntable. It has the ability to play just about any format of disk record ever made (with the exception of Pathe hill and dale disks). It plays 33, 45 and 78 with a pitch control to cover most 78rpm variations in speed, and it has interchangable head shells that make it easy to snap different format stylii in and out.

See ya
Steve
Thats good to hear, I took the bottom out and had a look underneath seems like it's just the powercord that has a short and needs replacing ( I hope).
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post #10 of 12
6/23/07 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by memepool View Post
Those old Dual's can be pretty impressive and they are very well made. Much better than most modern tables under 1500USD.

Don't believe all that stuff about idler's being worse than belts or direct drives or whatever. There are some classic idlers like the Garrard 301/401, Thorens TD124 and the Lenco L75 which are regarded as some of the best turntables ever made. Check the prices those go for on ebay and you'll see what I mean.

New idlers can be bought from http://www.lpgear.com/ who don't seem to have one for th 1229 but do have others so perhaps one of these will fit? Also reconditioned Idler tyres for the Duals are still available from http://www.turntablebasics.com who can even rebuild the tyres.

The Shure cart is certainly a classic but collectors do tend to pay over the odds for old carts like this, when there are loads of really great new carts with stylus profiles not even invented when that Shure came out, available now.

By all means keep the old Shure, as it will only appreciate in value if it's in good contion. Take it out for an occasional spin to check out the Beatles or whatever, but also do yourself a favour and pick up a more modern cart like the Audio Technica 440MLA , and see what vinyl is capable of these days and why so many people are going back to it, or getting into it for the first time.
Idler Wheels can also be rebuilt by Ed Crockett at Vintage Electronics or vintagelectronics.com in the USA.I have not used him yet but he is reported to be both good and inexpensive.
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post #11 of 12
12/29/11 at 12:13pm

I still have my 1229Q. It has a built in strobe which makes it easy to set the speed. I bought it in 1973 in the now defunct "Lafayettes" along with their brand speakers "Criterion 777's". I also switched over to the Pickering Cartridge which was cheaper then the Shure and lent just as crisp a sound.

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post #12 of 12
12/29/11 at 1:44pm

Dual 1229 checking in!

Great table, mine was recently totally overhauled as to brand new spec. I like it that much :)

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