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Did somebody say bokeh?

 

178298_10150968935804166_1828078106_o.jpg

 

178543_10150968934879166_1647947535_o.jpg

 

 

 

Both taken with my 70-300L.  I think I need to do a bit of MFA with this lens but I have been too lazy.  It seems to front focus just a bit.

 

These are JPGs straight from the camera; I generally shoot RAW + JPG.  Super harsh lighting conditions: both taken at about 2PM.  I'll have to check the EXIF when I get home but I think I dialed in 2/3 stop overexposure to be sure to get better facial detail. 

 

EDIT: well, not really straight from the camera, they've been downsized and de-res'ed for webviewing but you get the idea.


Edited by leftnose - 7/2/12 at 9:58am
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Very smooth bokeh for a zoom lens. I really like this lens a lot, though I seldom shoot at this focal length to justify owning one.

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Very smooth bokeh for a zoom lens. I really like this lens a lot, though I seldom shoot at this focal length to justify owning one.

 

Back at a time when my funds were more limited than they are now, I owned two lenses, the 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 and 100-300 4-5.6 to go with my A2 body.  I got very accustomed to having two lenses in this range but now they're the 24-105L and the 70-300L. 

 

I've got a Lowepro Toploader with a lens caddy that carries this set-up plus a charger and spare memory cards perfectly.  It's what I carry probably 70% of the time and is what I call my "standard" set-up.  I've never felt I couldn't get the image I wanted by carrying just these two lenses.  If I'm going after the last bit IQ, I'll carry several primes instead or, if I'm doing landscape, I'll swap a 17-40 for the 24-105 but being able to carry only two lenses is just super convenient.

 

EDIT: typo


Edited by leftnose - 7/3/12 at 7:28pm
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Is the speedlight 270EX...cheapest speedlight like $150 new on Amazon worthless for most applications other than close-quarters?  About how much brighter is it than the stock flash on a Rebel? 

 

here are some pics I took in Cabo recently...will keep adding more--still have 2/3 days I haven't uploaded yet.  Critiques welcome.  except for the fisheye, used the tamron 17-50 2.8 lens.  Really wish I had a flash for the really low light evening shots.  Makes me want to get the 30mm 1.4 reaaaally badly now. 

 

I did a little bit of contrast/color adjustments that took 2 seconds in Picasa.  These shots were uploaded at normal quality on facebook--hence the major compression. 

 

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Love Cabo.  Gotta go back soon...

 

I would only recommend the 270EX if the smallest possible size is the principal consideration.  Once you start using speedlites, you will want more flexibility and power, especially due to light output loss from diffusors/modifiers, which you WILL want to use.  

 

If you don't want to pay for Canon 430 EXII, then I can recommend the Yongnuo YN467 which can be bought $69 shipped and is fully ETTL compatible with Canon.  It's just as good as Canon 430EX II (I have both) and powerful enough for most situations.  

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TTL-Speedlite-Flash-Unit-YN467-Canon-T1i-T2i-50D-40D-7D-/310381911355?pt=Digital_Camera_Flashes&hash=item4844341d3b#ht_3015wt_1368

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Yup, you only get the 270EX for its size. For serious use, go for 430EX or equivalent.

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I am a long time Canon fan and have owned  2) 1D mark II,  G10, and a Vixia HF G10. Currently I own a 50D and 5D mark II and a G12. Canon "L" lens: 50mm 1.2, 100-400 IS, 40-70 IS and a 10-24 Tamron, Focus speed is a combination of the camera and lens communication but also the light level and subject movement as well as things between you and the focus point. Set the ASA higher and the speed increases when everything else stays the same. This a complex subject and isn't just the lens speed>

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Originally Posted by Jon L View Post

Love Cabo.  Gotta go back soon...

 

I would only recommend the 270EX if the smallest possible size is the principal consideration.  Once you start using speedlites, you will want more flexibility and power, especially due to light output loss from diffusors/modifiers, which you WILL want to use.  

 

If you don't want to pay for Canon 430 EXII, then I can recommend the Yongnuo YN467 which can be bought $69 shipped and is fully ETTL compatible with Canon.  It's just as good as Canon 430EX II (I have both) and powerful enough for most situations.  

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TTL-Speedlite-Flash-Unit-YN467-Canon-T1i-T2i-50D-40D-7D-/310381911355?pt=Digital_Camera_Flashes&hash=item4844341d3b#ht_3015wt_1368

 

Thanks very much!  I'm totally a budgetphile now after getting sucked into head-fi with some pretty nice gear (not thousands of dollars)....but then buying a pair of ultrasones lightly used for $25......I raaarely come to this forum now.....  the addiction has been cured.      

 

I will definitely look at getting that flash for $69....!   So there is NO benefit to getting the Canon apart from the name?  Durability?  I'm guessing I could put like a diffuser plate? on the top rear and point the flash almost straight up.  Otherwise get a diffuser cap.  I really like either no-flash or a soft looking flash. 

 

I'm also questioning my "need' for upgrading from my 500d to the 7D......I've been shooting at higher MP and actually doing post processing kinda seriously for the first time.  I didn't realize pretty much ALL photographers do pp, so I thought the sample photos from 7D/5D, etc were that lively in color straight out of the camera. 

All except the fisheye pictures are from the tamron 17-50 f/2.8 lens.  I was using my friend's 550D because i forgot to bring a spare battery.  I feel like image quality was a tiny bit better...but maybe that was just me.  I might just get a couple good prime lenses instead of the body upgrade...a couple prime "L" lenses....  Otherwise, I'll be getting the 7D + sigma 30mm f/1.4. 

 

I think I've taken the best picture of my life...I think wallpaper worthy----it's not hard to tell which one it is, I don't think....hehe.  I updated the facebook gallery with more pics including that one just last night, so if you haven't seen it please do and please critique my photos/post-processing.  The first half of photos were processed with Picasa and the last half I used Lightroom.  For the first half of the photos, I realize it's overexposed in the background for almost all of the pics--I think a flash with diffuser would have been perfect.  Any other way I could have taken those photos with a bright background? 

 

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151074865413638.488337.658243637&type=1&l=389a187693

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

the greatest photo I've taken so far I think is the one with the guy on the beach walking towards the famous Cabo arch. 

 

the tennis photos were just taken with a POS. 


Edited by hyogen - 7/6/12 at 10:59am
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I think I've taken the best picture of my life...I think wallpaper worthy----it's not hard to tell which one it is, I don't think....hehe.  I updated the facebook gallery with more pics including that one just last night, so if you haven't seen it please do and please critique my photos/post-processing.  The first half of photos were processed with Picasa and the last half I used Lightroom.  For the first half of the photos, I realize it's overexposed in the background for almost all of the pics--I think a flash with diffuser would have been perfect.  Any other way I could have taken those photos with a bright background? 

 

 

Are you shooting in RAW?  If not, and you're doing PP in Lightroom, switch to RAW.  It allows you much more control and tweaks like pushing or pulling and white balance adjustments (a few of your photos need a WB shift) are much simpler/more effective.  For the photos with the blown out sky, you might be able to pull the highlights back a bit and lower the contrast to make the photos better.  Yes, a flash would be useful but you would need high speed sync to do it right.  Someone who knows more than I do about Canon flashes can step in here.  I know I can do it with my 5D2 and 430 EX II but I don't know if your body will support it with the 270 EX.

 

I can't comment on the third party flash vs. the OEM Canon flash.  I bought the OEM 430 EX II.  However, one difference is E-TTL vs. E-TTL II.  The Canon supports E-TTL II which includes distance information in the exposure calculation for, supposedly, more accurate results.  Also, if you buy OEM, you're pretty much guaranteed that it will work with future generations of Canon bodies which you won't have that guarantee with a third part accessory.  The guarantee, though, is a little bit less certain on flashes than, say, a lens but I would have more confidence that an OEM Canon will work on my next body.

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Thanks very much!  I'm totally a budgetphile now after getting sucked into head-fi with some pretty nice gear (not thousands of dollars)....but then buying a pair of ultrasones lightly used for $25......I raaarely come to this forum now.....  the addiction has been cured.      

 

I will definitely look at getting that flash for $69....!   So there is NO benefit to getting the Canon apart from the name?  Durability?  I'm guessing I could put like a diffuser plate? on the top rear and point the flash almost straight up.  Otherwise get a diffuser cap.  I really like either no-flash or a soft looking flash. 

 

I'm also questioning my "need' for upgrading from my 500d to the 7D......I've been shooting at higher MP and actually doing post processing kinda seriously for the first time.  I didn't realize pretty much ALL photographers do pp, so I thought the sample photos from 7D/5D, etc were that lively in color straight out of the camera. 

All except the fisheye pictures are from the tamron 17-50 f/2.8 lens.  I was using my friend's 550D because i forgot to bring a spare battery.  I feel like image quality was a tiny bit better...but maybe that was just me.  I might just get a couple good prime lenses instead of the body upgrade...a couple prime "L" lenses....  Otherwise, I'll be getting the 7D + sigma 30mm f/1.4. 

 

I think I've taken the best picture of my life...I think wallpaper worthy----it's not hard to tell which one it is, I don't think....hehe.  I updated the facebook gallery with more pics including that one just last night, so if you haven't seen it please do and please critique my photos/post-processing.  The first half of photos were processed with Picasa and the last half I used Lightroom.  For the first half of the photos, I realize it's overexposed in the background for almost all of the pics--I think a flash with diffuser would have been perfect.  Any other way I could have taken those photos with a bright background? 

 

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151074865413638.488337.658243637&type=1&l=389a187693

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

the greatest photo I've taken so far I think is the one with the guy on the beach walking towards the famous Cabo arch. 

 

the tennis photos were just taken with a POS. 

For sharing photo's on forums, I strongly advise you to link photo's from something like your flickr account instead of Facebook album link like that.  Internet is internet, so you probably don't want to "expose" all your friends' photos to the random strangers who may be roaming these sites.  Facebook upload reduces picture quality quite a bit anyway, and I recommend Flickr, which is free.  

 

And I agree about 500D to 7D move.  7D is great mainly due to the high FPS continuous shooting, good AF for sports, etc, but it's still got the same sensor as 550D and still not the best for low light/high ISO photo's.  The 7D MkII is rumored to be coming around as well.  Best deal right now is a refurbished or slightly used 5D MkII methinks..

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I think I've taken the best picture of my life...I think wallpaper worthy----it's not hard to tell which one it is, I don't think....hehe.  I updated the facebook gallery with more pics including that one just last night, so if you haven't seen it please do and please critique my photos/post-processing.  The first half of photos were processed with Picasa and the last half I used Lightroom.  For the first half of the photos, I realize it's overexposed in the background for almost all of the pics--I think a flash with diffuser would have been perfect.  Any other way I could have taken those photos with a bright background? 

 

 

Are you shooting in RAW?  If not, and you're doing PP in Lightroom, switch to RAW.  It allows you much more control and tweaks like pushing or pulling and white balance adjustments (a few of your photos need a WB shift) are much simpler/more effective.  For the photos with the blown out sky, you might be able to pull the highlights back a bit and lower the contrast to make the photos better.  Yes, a flash would be useful but you would need high speed sync to do it right.  Someone who knows more than I do about Canon flashes can step in here.  I know I can do it with my 5D2 and 430 EX II but I don't know if your body will support it with the 270 EX.

 

I can't comment on the third party flash vs. the OEM Canon flash.  I bought the OEM 430 EX II.  However, one difference is E-TTL vs. E-TTL II.  The Canon supports E-TTL II which includes distance information in the exposure calculation for, supposedly, more accurate results.  Also, if you buy OEM, you're pretty much guaranteed that it will work with future generations of Canon bodies which you won't have that guarantee with a third part accessory.  The guarantee, though, is a little bit less certain on flashes than, say, a lens but I would have more confidence that an OEM Canon will work on my next body.

 

I was not shooting raw.  I did shoot a couple raw images, but had to conserve memory card space.  A couple months ago I was shooting at 3.7MP and I thought that should be just as good, but I actually am seeing a difference with shooting 8MP+  I can't remember what I shot most of those pics with now...hopefully more than 8MP. 

 

I didn't realize I would need high speed sync...it's easier on a Nikon I heard?  I'm pretty sure the 500d has at least some external flash control...maybe it's just intensity/rear curtain?  flash is all pretty new to me.  I'll keep you advice about OEM flashes in mind.  It'd also be a shame to get such a pretty looking high end body and place the cheap flash on there -_- 

 

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For sharing photo's on forums, I strongly advise you to link photo's from something like your flickr account instead of Facebook album link like that.  Internet is internet, so you probably don't want to "expose" all your friends' photos to the random strangers who may be roaming these sites.  Facebook upload reduces picture quality quite a bit anyway, and I recommend Flickr, which is free.  

 

And I agree about 500D to 7D move.  7D is great mainly due to the high FPS continuous shooting, good AF for sports, etc, but it's still got the same sensor as 550D and still not the best for low light/high ISO photo's.  The 7D MkII is rumored to be coming around as well.  Best deal right now is a refurbished or slightly used 5D MkII methinks..

 

thanks, that's good advice.  i got lazy, and i think I have my fb settings set to pretty private..but I should've uploaded to photobucket or flickr.  photobucket unfortunately compresses the pics also, but there is no limit.  I'll try flickr and see if it resizes my pics with my free account (I guess 300 photos i want to share per month limit is not bad). 

 

I do like taking photos of sports/action---however, it's not that often that I'm at a sporting event.  I may wait for the 7D mkII....but if I don't care so much about the 8fps on the 7D...you would choose 5dmkII for sure?   I had my heart set on 30mm f/1.4 sigma lens... this and my 17-50mm 1.8 lens are not FF compatible--neither is my fisheye.   I don't mind selling stuff, but won't buying lenses for FF be more expensive?  I don't care so much about the fisheye--although there's a really cheap and great piece of software that converts it into a normal wide-angle shot.  Works with even people photos..

 

Even though 7D has a significantly better autofocus, you'd still go with used/refurb 5dmk2?  I'm really into shooting videos also, fyi. 


Edited by hyogen - 7/6/12 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by hyogen View Post

 

I was not shooting raw.  I did shoot a couple raw images, but had to conserve memory card space.  A couple months ago I was shooting at 3.7MP and I thought that should be just as good, but I actually am seeing a difference with shooting 8MP+  I can't remember what I shot most of those pics with now...hopefully more than 8MP. 

 

I didn't realize I would need high speed sync...it's easier on a Nikon I heard?  I'm pretty sure the 500d has at least some external flash control...maybe it's just intensity/rear curtain?  flash is all pretty new to me.  I'll keep you advice about OEM flashes in mind.  It'd also be a shame to get such a pretty looking high end body and place the cheap flash on there -_-

 

Enabling high speed sync is as easy as pressing one button on the flash if both the flash and camera body and support it.  Nothing to it.  Years ago, it used to be that Nikon had better flash support and Canon had superior AF.  That's not so much the case any more.  It's more like whoever has the latest body has the newest features.  Right now, it's pretty much a push between the two.

 

However, if you're worried about filling up your memory card, forget lenses, forget flashes, buy high quality, high speed memory cards and, if your camera can do it, shoot RAW + JPG.  Shoot the RAW at the highest resolution and the JPG wherever you like.  That way, you have the RAW to generate all the HQ images you need plus a JPG for quick emailing/uploading.

 

With my 5D2 on max res RAW plus max res fine JPGs, I can shoot 448 images per 16 GB memory card and I carry at least two cards with me wherever I go, no matter how short a period of time I plan on shooting.  Because of work, I always have to travel with a laptop so I transfer images and reformat cards at the end of every day and I travel with 2 16GB cards and a 32 GB card so I carry enough cards for 1,700 photos/day, more if I drop the JPG.  I've never gotten close to that but I have shot over 1,000 in a day while in tourist mode.

 

The biggest sin in photography is to not bring enough film/memory cards with you.  Why bother bringing a DSLR at all if you have to sacrifice quality or not take images because you don't have a memory card.  Who cares if you've got the latest L lens if you can't take a high res photo due to lack of space.  A flash is useless for fill light if your card is full: just dead weight.

 

You've talked in this thread about buying a new lens and now a new flash.  Forget this and buy memory cards.  I like SanDisk; I'm using Extreme Pro cards right now.  Other people have their preferences as well.

 

EDIT: typo


Edited by leftnose - 7/6/12 at 2:08pm
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Did somebody say bokeh?

 

178298_10150968935804166_1828078106_o.jpg

 

178543_10150968934879166_1647947535_o.jpg

 

 

 

Both taken with my 70-300L.  I think I need to do a bit of MFA with this lens but I have been too lazy.  It seems to front focus just a bit.

 

These are JPGs straight from the camera; I generally shoot RAW + JPG.  Super harsh lighting conditions: both taken at about 2PM.  I'll have to check the EXIF when I get home but I think I dialed in 2/3 stop overexposure to be sure to get better facial detail. 

 

EDIT: well, not really straight from the camera, they've been downsized and de-res'ed for webviewing but you get the idea.

 

these photos seem pretty vibrant in color for straight from camera.  Is this your lens' doing, body, both, or purely skill?  :o  Even on automatic, I don't think my 500D pictures come out that vivid/colorfully..


http://www.flickr.com/photos/31470517@N03/

 

I realize the last photo isn't a good example of a portrait since only one girl is in focus, but this is what want to fix--have the subject to be about the same as they are now--but with less exposed/washed out background. 

 

How can i make the bird picture more interesting?  It is a crop from the original, since my zoom is only up to 50mm (80mm)

 

As for high speed memory cards--this is too easy of a problem to fix...flash memory cards are super cheap--what I worry about is backing up all the tons of photos onto my computer and harddrives (harddrives will fail at some point or another)...  Just from my weekend trip to Cabo, I had over 5GB of photos with mainly 8MP resolution....      I dunno about you, but I will probably print a poster-size picture maybe a handful of times in my lifetime...   


Edited by hyogen - 7/6/12 at 4:06pm
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I realize the last photo isn't a good example of a portrait since only one girl is in focus, but this is what want to fix--have the subject to be about the same as they are now--but with less exposed/washed out background. 

 

How can i make the bird picture more interesting?  It is a crop from the original, since my zoom is only up to 50mm (80mm)

 

As for high speed memory cards--this is too easy of a problem to fix...flash memory cards are super cheap--what I worry about is backing up all the tons of photos onto my computer and harddrives (harddrives will fail at some point or another)...  Just from my weekend trip to Cabo, I had over 5GB of photos with mainly 8MP resolution....      I dunno about you, but I will probably print a poster-size picture maybe a handful of times in my lifetime...   

 

My thoughts:

 

I think your photography will benefit the most if you get yourself a flash, and then learn more about exposure and flash photography. This includes stuff like balancing exposure of the foreground and background using flash, using light modifiers/diffusers to control the quality of light from your flash, etc. There's a lot of ground to cover, but a flash can do things a fast lens cannot -- e.g. if you are shooting a group shot in low light, a fast lens isn't going to help you much as you still need to stop down for DOF. A fast lens is also not going to help in high contrast or dynamic range situations. If you don't get an OEM flash, just make sure whatever you get supports E-TTL as well as being able to trigger off-camera with E-TTL (for future use if or when you go wireless).

 

About the bird photo, I think what you should have done was to consider your question even before you tripped the shutter. You knew you had a short lens, so you should try to accomodate your composition to the focal length, not shoot it anyway and see if you can crop and pp later. For a short telephoto, I would have tried to incorporate the landscape more to make it more of a "landscape with bird in the sky" kind of shot.

 

Finally, I understand you don't want to take too many photos and have too much to maintain later, which can be a good thing -- use this excuse to make your approach to photography more slow and deliberate. Think about what you want and the camera settings needed to get what you want before tripping the shutter. You will find that your photography will improve if you give the shot some thought before you take it. However, do not be taken aback by fast fps eating up your storage space. You can always delete later. After all, if you shoot a 24-shot burst sequence of someone or something moving (your friends, kids, professional athletes, birds, whatever), you don't have to keep all 24 of them.

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