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post #16 of 58
Well crap, I'm almost in the same boat. I have the HD-650s and was going to purchase a gilmore lite.....would you guys recommend against it? What about the new amps by littledot? the MK III, MK IV, and MK IV SE?
post #17 of 58
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
GLite has no *signature* per se, it's just wire with the gain. If you like coloration then tubes might serve you better. DPS definitely does not transform GLite, but improves the imaging, adds and tightens up the bass.
It appears to me that there are 2 views on the Gilmore Lite, one being is its neutral or lacking an audible signature and the other that its slightly on the bright side. Is it possible that the 'clean signature' (due to the construction technique) of the GL leads to some thinking its neutral which some perceive as brightness?
post #18 of 58
All hd650 owners need to get a Millet. End of the story. =]


I am under impression that alot of Gilmore amps tend to sound bright (my ears have increased sensitive to treble AND bass so I can't stand alot of headphones/amps due to that, Gilmore Reference and GS-X sounded like GS-1000 headphone to me). They are actually neutral, but they will only SOUND neutral to people with recessions in treble hearing I think, or at least those who prefer it bright.
post #19 of 58
Thread Starter 
I would say I have to agree with the posts about the Gilmore Lite sounding bright. Maybe it's not that the bass is really lacking, and I'm not looking for slamming bass, it just seems to lean toward the bright end of the sound spectrum. By comparison the bass seems deficient. I have to admit it's a very clean sound though.

I hadn't really considered tube amps before for a couple of reasons. First, I've heard that the HD650s are already a rather warm sounding headphone and thus work better with SS amps. Second, and most important, my understanding of tube amps is they take some time to warm up to sound there best each time you use them. Thus they're best suited for longer listening sessions. The way my work schedule is I work 70-90hrs a week and am barely ever at home. When I do listen to headphones it is usually for 30min or less at a time. I don't know though, I may reconsider tubes though.

For now I'm probably going to stick with the Gilmore Lite until I've given it a fair shake (I've only really gotten to spend a very brief time with it thus far to to my crazy schedule). But I have a feeling in the end it's not going to be what I'm looking for.
post #20 of 58
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Originally Posted by strangelove View Post
Hey all,

I recently got a Gilmore Lite (used) for my HD650s and I have to say, I'm rather disappointed. There just isn't much 3D effect or sparkle to the music and the bass is severely lacking. Before this I was using the headphone jack on my HK receiver. While the Gilmore is better in terms of overall resolution, it just isn't as powerful a sound. The only other headphone amp I've tried was a Presonus Central Station. I returned that after a couple of weeks because a) I wasn't at all impressed with the DAC, and b) I figured for $500+tax I could get a much better standalone amp. I have to say though as just an amp, I was much more impressed with the Presonus. Maybe my hindsight is just foggy, but it had more punch and sparkle to the music.

So my question is where do I go from here? I could get the Presonus again, but quite frankly, if I'm not going to use the DAC then what's the point. I considered getting the DPS for the Gilmore, but from what I've read the improvement isn't that substantial. I was thinking about getting a Meier Opera, but I've read some reviews of it saying it isn't as powerful as one would expect either. The other option I was considering is hiring a builder for a Dynahi or B22 build, but I kind of wanted to get something that was professionally built and finished.

For reference the music I listen to is anything from alt-folk & singer/song-writer stuff, to pop, rock, electronic, industrial (basically anything except country/rap/classical/jazz).

Thanks
Also remember, it is an entry level amp.. You paid 300.00 for the GL? I'd look at a used Xcan3 with the Pinky Floyds & lil pinkie PS or a new or used BADA12 hybrid tube amp.. Excellent performance for the price
post #21 of 58
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Originally Posted by strangelove View Post
I would say I have to agree with the posts about the Gilmore Lite sounding bright. Maybe it's not that the bass is really lacking, and I'm not looking for slamming bass, it just seems to lean toward the bright end of the sound spectrum. By comparison the bass seems deficient. I have to admit it's a very clean sound though.

I hadn't really considered tube amps before for a couple of reasons. First, I've heard that the HD650s are already a rather warm sounding headphone and thus work better with SS amps. Second, and most important, my understanding of tube amps is they take some time to warm up to sound there best each time you use them. Thus they're best suited for longer listening sessions. The way my work schedule is I work 70-90hrs a week and am barely ever at home. When I do listen to headphones it is usually for 30min or less at a time. I don't know though, I may reconsider tubes though.

For now I'm probably going to stick with the Gilmore Lite until I've given it a fair shake (I've only really gotten to spend a very brief time with it thus far to to my crazy schedule). But I have a feeling in the end it's not going to be what I'm looking for.
IMO thats a myth..My BADA12 mated very well with the 650's..
post #22 of 58
From my experience, the 650's are a good match with an OTL tube design.

What's your budget? Do you need to say in the GL-ish price range?

Peace,

Graz
post #23 of 58
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Also remember, it is an entry level amp..
Price, but definitely not performance wise, esp with DPS. Although I am not sure about your definition of amp levels and what it's based on.
post #24 of 58
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
Also remember, it is an entry level amp.. You paid 300.00 for the GL? I'd look at a used Xcan3 with the Pinky Floyds & lil pinkie PS or a new or used BADA12 hybrid tube amp.. Excellent performance for the price
True, but even for $300 I would expect it to be a substantial improvement from a stock receiver jack. And granted it's definitely better, it's just not the WOW I was looking for.
post #25 of 58
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From my experience, the 650's are a good match with an OTL tube design.

What's your budget? Do you need to say in the GL-ish price range?

Peace,

Graz

Right now my budget is variable. I'd definitely like to keep it under $1000-1500. Even at that price level I'd probably have to save a little before I could afford to get something. However I'm still not sure I can justify to myself spending that much on an amp unless it's really worth it, or I won't be happy with something cheaper.

I'm beginning to lean toward getting a Meier Opera because for the price it would give me a fairly decent amp (a substantial upgrade over the Gilmore Lite, with or without the DPS, I would hope) and an improved DAC/source.
post #26 of 58
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
IMO thats a myth..My BADA12 mated very well with the 650's..
Would you be able to comment on my second point about tube amps needing a fair amount of time before they warm up to sound their best. That's really my biggest hesitation about getting a tube-based amp.

thanks
post #27 of 58
Thread Starter 
And finally, on a different note, I hooked up my HD595s to the Gilmore Lite and with those I have to say WOW. Now that's what I'm talking about and was expecting from my HD650s with the amp. I know the HD595s and HD650s have two very different sounds, so it's not the more forward sound of the 595s that's impressing me. It's the pure effortlessness they exhibit with the GL. Powered by my HK the 595s and 650s both sounded good, but I clearly preferred the sound and especially the clarity of the 650s. With the GL lite powering them the 595 rise to a level where they sound almost as clear as the 650s and infinitely effortless.

I guess that's one of my greatest disappointments with the GL and the 650s; with the GL it sounds like I'm only getting 40-50% of the full potential of the 650s. I just expected them to soar more. I guess they just need more power than the GL can provide. Now I just need to find an amp that can make my 650s sound as good as the GL makes the 595s sound.
post #28 of 58
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Originally Posted by strangelove View Post
True, but even for $300 I would expect it to be a substantial improvement from a stock receiver jack. And granted it's definitely better, it's just not the WOW I was looking for.
Moving to higher end amp rarely if ever gives *WOW*. But changing the source does. You should think of the system as a whole, garbage in, garbage out. Build it from the bottom up.
post #29 of 58
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Originally Posted by strangelove View Post
I guess that's one of my greatest disappointments with the GL and the 650s; with the GL it sounds like I'm only getting 40-50% of the full potential of the 650s. I just expected them to soar more. I guess they just need more power than the GL can provide. Now I just need to find an amp that can make my 650s sound as good as the GL makes the 595s sound.
GLite has more than enough juice to drive 3 HD650. Something just doesn't sound right.
post #30 of 58
I can also vouch with the 595/GL combo having very good synergy when I owned those headphones.Using the DPS after it had enough time to really warm up added more clarity and full bodied sound to them. I miss the Senns' and need to find a way financially to buy another pair.

I've never owned the 650's but I sure would love to give it a shot with the GL---doubt I'd be disspointed as I am a fan of the GL.The MS2i/GL is another great combo as I'm jamming with this setup to some excellent 1977-79 punk right now.

The DPS is a mild improvement but still an improvememnt nonetheless.I hope you find the equipment/synergy combo you desire.
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