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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
ZU has a pair of Druids w/ a mini-method sub, priced @ 3K $ on ebay. They have 6 pairs at the price. That is basically a free subwoofer w/ reg. priced druids (approx.)

I'd be all over it if I had the money and hadn't already bought a mini-method myself.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Zu-Audio-Druid-s...QQcmdZViewItem
post #2 of 20
My dad has a pair of Druids. I don't care for them one bit, even more rolled off highs than the HD-650 and also a bit congested. And I've heard them with 3 diffrent sources and 4 different amps.. Waaaaa-ay overpriced imho.
post #3 of 20
Yes, you'd be better off buying white van speakers. Zu Druids have the dubious distinction of being one of the few commercial speakers that measure worse than white van speakers.
post #4 of 20
So guys tell us how you really feel

They can't be that bad - I would love to hear them for myself.
post #5 of 20
What's funny is some of the "Best" sounding gear measures poorly. When you listen with test equipment I'll be concerned.


Mitch
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by recstar24 View Post
So guys tell us how you really feel

They can't be that bad - I would love to hear them for myself.
Yes they really are that bad. I've heard them a few different times now and every time after listening to them I wonder how any sane person can think they sound good. Sure I've heard worse speakers but none that are anywhere near the price of the Druids.
post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by recstar24 View Post
So guys tell us how you really feel

They can't be that bad - I would love to hear them for myself.
Haha, trust me - they're that bad. For around $5000 retail here in Sweden, they should be sounding a whole lot better. The only thing I like about them is the design - they look sweet.
post #8 of 20
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Yes they really are that bad. I've heard them a few different times now and every time after listening to them I wonder how any sane person can think they sound good. Sure I've heard worse speakers but none that are anywhere near the price of the Druids.
Nice - would you say its more a matter of taste, or that they just don't cut it from a technical standpoint? No one I've read has really articulated why they sound so bad, most users just say they measure bad or they sound bad. What is it exactly about the sound signature and presentation that is so offensive (honest question, not aiming to start a war, just curious)?
post #9 of 20
i have Druids with a Mini-Method and it is the most balanced and transparent sound i have ever heard. the highs are always smooth and with subtle clear detail, the mids are tonally fluid and dymanic, the Bass is subterrainian and literally turns my walls to reverberating paper. the Method subs integrate perfectly into the 10" fullrange drivers and i have them crossed over at 40-45hz. the 40hz claims of the Druid are real.

i would without hesitatiion recommend this setup to anyone here. i am impressed enough that i will absolutely be upgrading to Definition 1.5 or MK2 which is coming out this summer. the Definition 1.5 will be on sale in the $7500 range starting next week Zu is cleaning old stock before the MK2 are released, i was planning on upgrading since March but now i dont think i can pull it together in time to buy them, the RSA Apache just bombed my wallet and i may go fully balanced soon which will require a second source and new cables.

Srajan of 6 moons has outlined why the Druids measured so poorly, they use a bottom ported enclosure which needs to be set the correct height off the floor to properly load the driver via back pressure. SoundStage! failed to set them up correctly. i can tell you with 100% confidence that if you do not tune these for your listening position they will sound like garbage, when they(and you) are properly located it is an amazing experience and it took me a solid 3 months to get them correct, i was on the verge of getting rid of them and now another 8 months later i am awestruck.

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Originally Posted by Srajan Ebaen quoted from 6moons View Post
"It became patently obvious that Zu is about real passion and out-of-the-box creativity disciplined by high-level Physics. The focus is on performance over trophy Hifi and a true appreciation for vintage research often long since forgotten because it occurred well prior to computer simulations and predictive modeling.

Should you have a hard time reconciling the above paragraph with the NRC measurement of the older Druid published by SoundStage!, Sean explained how the Canadians had forgotten two things: use the 14" square jig he had requested be placed under the Druid's floorfiring opening at the proper distance and adjust the microphone position to account for the tweeter kicking in above 12kHz. The lacking jig defeated the Griewe loading which apparently fired through a wire mesh instead. This devolved the box alignment into an open 4' pipe driven from one end to lose all output below ca. 100Hz. It made for a truly disturbing frequency response plot. If the Druid really sounded like that flawed graph, Zu would have never sold a single pair.


But unintentional mistakes do happen. So does disbelief by even trained engineers who rely on conventional models to argue that the Druid's small enclosure and its driver couldn't possibly produce 40Hz as claimed. Numerous owners know better without necessarily understanding the exact workings either. Naturally, no such ownership is required to know that the Definition's claim for 20Hz flat is not only likely but rather predictable. What wasn't predictable to me but somewhat dreaded? The quantity of said bass whose four Eminence woofers are operated below resonance just like BagEnd used to (but with zero DSP equalization in this case). Casey's gain adjustment made all the difference. Within minutes, I graduated from pronouncing the Definition bass-heavy, a little muddy and over-endowed to trading up from my Druid/Method trio to this overachieving pair."
http://www.sixmoons.com/audioreviews...inition_2.html

every backhanded comment i have read on these speakers has either been from someone who has never heard them and is relying on a flawed graph, heard them at a trade show somewhere probibly off axis, or heard them in someone elses system. i have never heard of an owner building a system to maximize their high efficiency, set them up correctly, and then ultimatley denounce them for sounding bad. read ALL of Srajan's and 6moon's reviews on the Zu products they are spot on, and he has owned ALOT of high end gear.
post #10 of 20
I've never seen any graphs of their response, just heard them. Muffled highs, congested and it feels like there's a peak in the upper midrange.
When it comes to bass I'm neutral, it was alright. No more, no less.
Just my 2 cents..
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by euclid View Post
Srajan of 6 moons has outlined why the Druids measured so poorly, they use a bottom ported enclosure which needs to be set the correct height off the floor to porperly load the driver via back pressure. SoundStage! failed to set them up correctly.
This is not true. Srajan's comments on this matter are simply incorrect and straight from the mouths of the Zu marketing people. I'm not even willing to debate this any longer, because the fanboys all come out of the woodwork. If anyone wants to discuss how these speakers measure, PM me. These speakers have been measured by multiple sources. I'm not kidding when I say that many white van speakers measure better.

Yes, we don't listen by measurements, but there is a difference between a subjectively good sounding speaker that measures moderately poorly, and complete garbage like the Druids.

I agree, Space cadet Srajan at 6moons is a huge fan of these, but he has bizarre tastes.
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by Wodgy View Post
This is not true. Srajan's comments on this matter are simply incorrect and straight from the mouths of the Zu marketing people. I'm not even willing to debate this any longer, because the fanboys all come out of the woodwork. If anyone wants to discuss how these speakers measure, PM me. These speakers have been measured by multiple sources. I'm not kidding when I say that many white van speakers measure better.

Yes, we don't listen by measurements, but there is a difference between a subjectively good sounding speaker that measures moderately poorly, and complete garbage like the Druids.

I agree, Space cadet Srajan at 6moons is a huge fan of these, but he has bizarre tastes.

AFAIK Sean Casey is the engineer and the head of the company. he had to buy patent rights concerned with motorcycle exhaust system backpressure to build the Druid cabnet. i can tell you the effect of changing the height of the bottom plate by 1 thread pitch on the spikes has an effect on the lowest bass and the airyness of the highs, its a fine line to get the right balance and allow the subs to crossover correctly.

i have owned many different headphones and can tell you when an entire range of frequencies is missing from music ive listened to for years. the Druids with the Method are complete. alone the Druids are bass shy at 40hz, consider the Druid/Method a package.

to Infinity and Beyond!!!!!!
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by euclid View Post
i can tell you with 100% confidence that if you do not tune these for your listening position they will sound like garbage, when they(and you) are properly located it is an amazing experience and it took me a solid 3 months to get them correct, i was on the verge of getting rid of them and now another 8 months later i am awestruck.

i'm not kidding i was going to get rid of them.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...ighlight=druid

i basically reset my enitre listening room to get them imaging perfectly, 2ft from each sidewall, 4ft from the backwall, 9ft from my listening seat, toed-in almost directly to where the image is laser precise, then i backed off the toe about 1/2" for each speaker which expanded the stage and blended the image to seemlessly integrate across the room, this 1/2" adjustment also widened the sweetspot by about 1.5ft on each side.

then i bought a Mini-Method. it is placed on the right side of my TV/stereo rack about 1ft from the backwall, slightly less toe-in than the speakers and it integrates seemlessly. i cant place its location in the room while im listening even though it is off center and Mono output. i cant believe such a small unit with 2 10" subs produces this much quality bass. the Definitions have 8 of these subs, symetical placement in stereo output, i cant even imagine the room loading.
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
I have to confess I have never heard any of the Zu speakers yet. I did buy the mini-method sub, but have yet to hook it up. (on sale for 1K new)
I appreciate the honesty here, as I have not heard much of any negativity towards the Zus until now. It sounds like even if I can get them to sound good, it will be a lot of work.

Does anyone know how the Zu tone compares to the Druid? I am going to be in the market for a set of monitors, for my computer desk, sometime in 2007. I don't have the space for floor standers, unfortunately. Plus I do all my listening (almost) at my desk.

I have thought about trying the Omega Super 3 w/ the mini method, or similar high sensitivity/single driver speakers. Though the Mark and Daniel Ruby looks interesting, but would require a new amp.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by recstar24 View Post
Nice - would you say its more a matter of taste, or that they just don't cut it from a technical standpoint? No one I've read has really articulated why they sound so bad, most users just say they measure bad or they sound bad. What is it exactly about the sound signature and presentation that is so offensive (honest question, not aiming to start a war, just curious)?

Their bass and treble are my biggest problems. While the bass is tight and quick it rolls off much too high and doesn't have the weight and depth I expect from good speakers. The treble suffers from a similar lack of extension that leads to even more lost details. They do have a very forward midrange and can play super loud which kind of hides their weaknesses. I just know I expect a hell of a lot more out of $3K speakers.
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